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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Aug 21st 2018 at 11:55:34 PM

DC Ares has the competence of Mars and the evil of Ares. Presumably Earth-3 Ares has the competence of Ares and the nobility of Mars, though I think how the multiverse is structured there's only one of each Greek god in the multiverse, as the Sphere of the Gods they come from is its own universe

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Aug 22nd 2018 at 12:48:00 PM

Anyone got any ideas for a Wonder Woman video game?

Edited by windleopard on Aug 22nd 2018 at 12:50:10 PM

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Sep 5th 2018 at 3:38:19 PM

Basically, Greek Ares was just the negative qualities of War, and the qualities required to win wars were Athena's domain. In the Rome Patch, Athena/Minerva was nerfed and Ares/Mars buffed, and that domain was transferred to Mars.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Return of the Gangsta Bear! from Moopet Theatre Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Oct 9th 2018 at 4:14:17 PM

Lots of people are fans of the Lynda Carter Wonder Woman.

She was the first incarnation of the character for many people.

Anyway, this is my first foray into the thread, but I'm here to ask a question that many of you have probably asked about a topic that all of you are likely sick of:

Why the hell do DC keep allowing people to change Donna Troy's origin?

I mean, the first time was one thing: they didn't fully think through the retcon of Wonder Woman coming recently while Donna had been around for years, so they had to change things from her original origin of being rescued by Diana as a young girl and enhanced via purple ray...

But then things got crazy, and there was one retcon after another, even now in the Rebirth era, they felt the need to change her origin again, and I have to ask why? Why do they keep doing this?

On a slightly different tangent, which origin do you guys think works best?

The original with Diana saving her? The one where she was rescued by the Titans of Myth? The Dark Angel origin where she's actually a magically created doppelgänger of Diana (and also a clay golem)?

Call me crazy, but I think the Magical Golem one works the best. It's actually a nice nod to the fact that Wonder Girl wasn't actually a thing originally: that she came to be because someone never got the memo that she was originally just meant to be an imaginary version of Diana as a Teenager.

But that's just me, and I recognize that the classic origin is the simplest one. No muss, no fuss, and had DC planned things out a little better we'd likely have stuck with it.

Once again, wokka wokka!
Oct 9th 2018 at 7:43:30 PM

I prefer the one of her being rescued by Diana. The clay origin should go back to being Diana's own origin.

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Oct 10th 2018 at 6:39:21 PM

[up] Her first origin was perfect. There was no reason to retcon it around.

Aren't Donna and Diana supposed to be sisters most of the time? I feel DC wants to distance Wonder Woman from that, because it never seems to be referenced.

HandsomeRob Return of the Gangsta Bear! from Moopet Theatre Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Oct 11th 2018 at 8:07:16 PM

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Diana can still have the Clay origin too.

I mean, Wally has the exact same origin for his powers as Barry and all. Dick also had his parents killed front of him, etc.

While I agree the original origin is the best, the reason I go with the Clay doppelgänger one is because we can't be sure how often the Purple Ray will still be in continuity. All it takes is someone saying that they don't have that sort of tech and it's suddenly gone...until it comes back again.

At least with the Clay doppelgänger of Diana origin, we can theoretically be sure that in a world where they finally stop fucking with Donna's origin, that's one they couldn't cut out...again in theory.

In practice, some asshole is gonna decide to play the give Donna a new origin game, because everyone seems to want to play that game.

Once again, wokka wokka!
Oct 11th 2018 at 9:31:35 PM

I get what you're saying but I feel the issue isn't the origin itself but the mindset DC has to not just Donna but the Wonder Woman franchise as a whole. I'm more working from the position that Donna's original origin was fine and that it is DC's habit of retconning things in the WW books that needs to change.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 11th 2018 at 9:48:41 AM

Nov 8th 2018 at 5:25:50 PM

Is Diana's Power Creep, Power Seep even worse than Clark or about the same? Because some stories have her be almost as powerful as Superman and then another story will have her Brought Down to Normal.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Nov 8th 2018 at 10:21:52 PM

If we're going for the clay origin, I feel that Ares should be Hippolyta's father like he was in the original mythology. In a nod to the original, the Amazons could be a war culture that eventually had a Heel–Face Turn and moved away from myth to a kinder root, the original depiction being an Old Shame for them

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Nov 12th 2018 at 9:47:12 PM

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Them being once followers of Ares could explain why they are now antagonistic towards him in the present. Like Ares treats the Amazons like rebellious children, who need to be punished.

Shonen Is Not Just For Boys, Even If Literally Means "Boy".
Nov 12th 2018 at 10:01:24 PM

A preview for G. Willow Wilson's issue 58

Also, an interview with Wilson herself.

Recently, I've felt Zeus and Poseidon would make for better enemies of the Amazons. Ares can start out as enemy that is redeemed and dies saving Cassie. Zeus would hate the Amazons for revealing what Heracles did to them and thus ruining his son's reputation (and by extension his).

Edited by windleopard on Nov 12th 2018 at 10:02:49 AM

firewriter Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Nov 12th 2018 at 10:04:16 PM

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I love when Zeus is portrayed as a villain. I would so support it.

Shonen Is Not Just For Boys, Even If Literally Means "Boy".
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Nov 27th 2018 at 5:00:24 PM

Values Dissonance is the only real reason Zeus was considered heroic in the first place. That and inconsistent writing

Representing New Zealand, TV Tropes addict
Nov 27th 2018 at 5:06:18 PM

Anyone read G. Willow Wilson's first issue?

HandsomeRob Return of the Gangsta Bear! from Moopet Theatre Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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May 23rd 2019 at 2:43:19 PM

Random question (my favourite kind of question):

Anyone know what the name of the type of shoes that Donna wore in her original costume is?

They seem like Ballet shoes, but I've never been sure. I think some of the very early versions of Diana sported them as well.

Once again, wokka wokka!
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