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This thread's for all of the X-Men comics and spin-offs (X-Force, X-Factor, New Mutants etc.), whether they're decades old or brand new.

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    Original OP 
Okay, it seems to me that the thread on "X-Men: Schism" has run its course, and since everyone seems to be commenting on how the conversation is talking about general parts of the franchise, I guess I should start a thread talking about all that.

I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.

One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.

All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#15176: Mar 5th 2025 at 11:46:26 PM

The one that immediately pops in my mind is the Claremont-era team. But I actually grew up with X-Men: Evolution and the film series. So those characters are the ones I know. Honestly it makes it hard to reconcile the comics Rogue, because I'm used to either Goth Rogue or film Rogue.

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#15177: Mar 6th 2025 at 5:49:42 AM

I'd say the '90s cartoon team is probably the most iconic, especially with the recent X-Men '97. The ANAD team is also iconic, so the argument could be made for them.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#15178: Mar 6th 2025 at 8:08:18 AM

The All New, All Different team is the reason X-Men is the Juggernaut (no pun intended) that it is today.

So yeah, they're definitely the most iconic.

The original team is the Unbuilt Trope to the ANAD team's Trope Maker.

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#15180: Mar 6th 2025 at 10:25:32 AM

X-Factor, which brought back the original five, including Jean "Phoenix" Grey living up to her code name, established that X-Men don't merely have a rotating roster but an extensive branching one and that Magneto might not be all bad. It also heavily influenced the cartoon, what with Apocalypse being utterly unbeatable and giving hammy speeches about it.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#15181: Mar 8th 2025 at 3:02:07 PM

x-manhunt has finally begun it kicks off because xavier can sense Xandra getting kidnapped in shiar space and cares about 1 kid sometimes so he goes to rescue her. They pump him full of drugs, but he asks Sarah Gaunt, the lady who thought she had been pregnant with his son ages ago to help and she does. He sees the uncanny team who came because Graymalkin called them to tell them Xavier has a super mutant tumor and they gotta let him stay locked up while he is that powerful with a tumor. They try to stop him but he sees them as the 05 and he manages to escape while telling xandra they are coming.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#15182: Mar 8th 2025 at 3:20:34 PM

least convoluted comic book plottongue

actually it has me wonder if mutaintkind has any hard feelings with the Shiar over Fall of X related reasons.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#15183: Mar 8th 2025 at 3:35:30 PM

[up]he then shows up in nyx where he asks for help getting the last krakoa seed that doom has his hands on. david turns him down but anole goes with him and kamala meets with them later. he then betrays them and leaves while they fight mojo who killed the electric latvarian mutant girl who had the seed and xavier goes to grab what he was really after, a cerebro unit that he had buried.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#15184: Mar 8th 2025 at 3:59:42 PM

Weirdly, Charles was a bigger dick in this issue than I think he was covering up the dead Krakoa team.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15185: Mar 8th 2025 at 4:06:27 PM

And he has ANOTHER abandoned mistress!? Geez!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#15186: Mar 8th 2025 at 4:07:00 PM

God dammit Charles!

The bridges are already nothing but ash. How do you keep burning them?

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#15187: Mar 8th 2025 at 4:19:26 PM

[up][up][up]to be fair to him now he has been in prison, he has a tumor killing him, and his daughter might die.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15188: Mar 8th 2025 at 4:48:47 PM

[up]No. I think we're all done being fair to him.

He's used up that privilege.

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chino514 (Apprentice)
#15189: Mar 8th 2025 at 5:25:15 PM

So what do we do with him then?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15190: Mar 8th 2025 at 5:27:51 PM

Hell if I know. Marvel's insisted on making him worse and worse.

But they won't kill him because they likely think he's too important to the X-Men, even as they have him make himself less important and get more characters to hate him.

I'd be fine if they just killed him. There's not much left for him to do, or places for him to go. Jokes about how shitty a person Xavier is are super common now. There's virtually no way for him to redeem himself or atone.

So just cut that knot and be done with it.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#15191: Mar 8th 2025 at 5:34:40 PM

Charles didn't abandon Sarah Gaunt.

He broke up with her when she tried to pretend she was pregnant to get him to marry her.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#15192: Mar 8th 2025 at 5:36:34 PM
chino514 (Apprentice)
#15193: Mar 8th 2025 at 5:48:34 PM

So how would you prefer he'd get killed?

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#15194: Mar 8th 2025 at 8:00:10 PM

No. I think we're all done being fair to him.

In that case i will take the time to speculate that Xandra is actually fine and it was the tumor and meltdown that gaslit Charles into thing she had been kidnapped. Meaning this whole thing happened because of basically of an hallucination that he insists is real. Then the Shiar dump him over the tumor.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Mar 8th 2025 at 8:00:38 AM

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#15195: Mar 10th 2025 at 2:23:29 PM

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/superstar-writer-jeph-loeb-returns-to-the-age-of-apocalypse-30th-anniversary

Jeph Loeb's coming back to write a Revelations story in Giant-Suze Age of Apocalypse #1.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#15196: Mar 10th 2025 at 2:26:18 PM

Ah yes the "Revision past events to force Kamala Khan in them" series.

I cannot imagine any X-Fan is into this.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#15197: Mar 10th 2025 at 2:30:37 PM

and so the Scrappification of Ms. Marvel continues.

Like if you want to make her a moutaint, fine, but was it really necessary to try to shove into events that pre-date her birth (at least in real world terms) for misguided synergy? Are the writers expected the next Ms. Marvel film to dovetail into X-man stuff?

If I were Feige, I'd just greenlight a sequel series to the Marvels that emphasized the Inhuman side more and keep her away from mutant stuff.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Mar 10th 2025 at 2:33:01 AM

chino514 (Apprentice)
#15198: Mar 10th 2025 at 2:30:49 PM

Would it be safe to say "Marvel has no idea what to do with Kamala Khan" at this point?

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#15199: Mar 10th 2025 at 2:33:47 PM

[up] No. It's a bad direction, but "shoehorning her into X-history" is still a direction.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#15200: Mar 10th 2025 at 5:26:51 PM

Yeah, the issue is that someone - either editorial or marketing - has lost touch with what made Kamala popular in the first place. They've disconnected her from her supporting cast, and a big part of the biggest appeal of the character was her relationships with her supporting cast.

I do think the best thing they could do for her might be to put her on a shelf for a year, then launch a new series where she's once again spending a lot of time with her supporting cast. Especially if she lets them back in on her secret.

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