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    Original OP 
Okay, it seems to me that the thread on "X-Men: Schism" has run its course, and since everyone seems to be commenting on how the conversation is talking about general parts of the franchise, I guess I should start a thread talking about all that.

I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.

One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.

All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#15151: Feb 27th 2025 at 8:10:24 AM

I recommend SENTINELS and NYX despite both being cancelled. Sentinels follows the banality of evil as Larry Trask tries to fix a program based on hate while staying rich. NYX follows Ms Marvel dealing with X-people who resent her optimism for good reason.

Sadly, I feel both did not win over audiences for presentation reasons.

1. Sentinels is about a Villain Protagonist and disposable red shirts being humanized. It also saves the big reveal that should have won over fans (HE'S ALIVE) for the very end. Unfortunately that ends in a Downer Ending.

2. NYX fans really hate Ms. Marvel and wanted more New Mutants. Ms. Marvel fans were constantly pissed that she didn't get a bigger role in "her" series, especially when she was talked down to by Sophie Cuckoo.

Basically, X-men shitting on Ms. Marvel does not a happy Ms. Marvel make and the x-men fans only had this comic because of Ms. Marvel.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 27th 2025 at 8:11:09 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#15152: Feb 27th 2025 at 8:11:33 AM

I don't think Sentinels was canceled that was always advertised as a miniseries.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#15153: Mar 4th 2025 at 9:54:46 AM

I stand corrected.

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#15154: Mar 5th 2025 at 12:53:52 PM

Question about the third law of Krakoa ("make more mutants"), did it ever amount to anything? I know that it generated (and still does) a lot of dirty jokes and controversy, with some people going as far as to claim that it was reproductive coercion, and that it was also criticized in universe but as far as I know not a single named female mutant got pregnant during the Krakoa era. There were some babies who were born because of the law but they were only used as plot devices in a couple of storylines. Also no one was enforcing the law and contraceptives seemed widely available on Krakoa. All in all, it seems completely pointless in hindsight and if it had never existed, nothing would change except a few issues of Way of X.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#15155: Mar 5th 2025 at 1:56:00 PM

One of the people third eye was in the pit because he was passing out condoms.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#15156: Mar 5th 2025 at 2:23:56 PM

Didn't Stacy-X say the law resulted in a huge number of abandoned children?

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#15157: Mar 5th 2025 at 2:38:06 PM

yeah. Way of X showcased a nursery with a lot of abandoned infants.

Granted given what went down later down to road, one has to wonder how many of those had survived. A question I don't think X-editorial would want to answer for years to come.


That said I do think it has a point, albeit a rather dark one. First off, it is a response to the repeated genocides mutant kind suffered over the decades (and would be inflicted on them at least once more) it is basially a survivla tactic.

Secondly, well let's just say it wouldn't surprise me if the mutant equivalent of the "Great Replacement Theory" was ingrained in some of the Krakoans' minds (and likely unimpeded given Sinsiter's seat on the counsel)

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Mar 5th 2025 at 2:42:31 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15158: Mar 5th 2025 at 2:42:49 PM

Gotta be a record for fastest comic pregnancies. Aside the really record breaking ones that they REALLY wanna ignore. tongue

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#15159: Mar 5th 2025 at 2:51:06 PM

yeah, when you think about it doesn't take much to say state-sponsored rapes occurred as a result.

I think that was something most actual governments with underpopulation concerns had already figured out and were trying to avoid, but hey their concerns with with aging labor forces, not the possibility of someone trying to wipe them out with nukes, giant robots, or genetic engineering schemes, surely the consent of the women is an irrelevance in the face of preventing those threats right?

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Mar 5th 2025 at 2:52:49 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#15160: Mar 5th 2025 at 2:55:59 PM

[up][up] Oh yeah the legions of abandoned child doesn't make sense since a long sequence of time can't possibly have happened.

Hell what about the yearly Hellfire Gala's, obviously 5 years hasn't passed in-universe.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 5th 2025 at 2:56:20 AM

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15161: Mar 5th 2025 at 2:57:09 PM

Tbh with all the super science around maybe it was artificial wombs or something. Sinister certainly has experience with that. Just check the tube babies for any Sinister extras.

Edited by alekos23 on Mar 5th 2025 at 2:57:19 AM

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#15162: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:04:26 PM

And Sinister would be the kind of guy that would go all in on eugenics. And he obvious has the resouces for it, and there was already precedent with Rah rah Rasputin and her fellow Chimerasnote .

Speaking of why. Why did Cardinal get shafted? Like did the writers think a red version of Nightcrawler was redundant or soemthing?

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Mar 5th 2025 at 3:06:17 AM

KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#15163: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:12:23 PM

Been thinking if those babies were months old instead of a year old but yeah the 3rd law was 1 of those ideas that Hickman tried to push to make Krakoan culture as different from the human norm as possible and Si Spurrier (Way of X's writer) is criticizing Hickman's worldbuilding and attempt to make Krakoa morally gray. The only silver lining is that there's no Mutant w/ the same powers as DC's Mother of Champions (that we know of).

[up]They probably only had room for 1 Chimera and they felt that Rasputin was a lot more marketable especially w/ being a Statuesque Chrome Champion and an Amazonian Beauty.

Edited by KRider on Mar 5th 2025 at 7:14:26 PM

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#15165: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:14:19 PM

Where would the Krakoa era rank among the horniest times for the X-Men?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15166: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:25:24 PM

The First Law = no contraception thing actually came from Victor LaValle's Sabretooth, which had one of the more negative depictions of Krakoa overall. It was shown the initial crop of Pit inmates were all thrown in on the flimsiest of technicalities (apart from Sabretooth himself of course). Third Eye, as mentioned, broke Law One by encouraging contraceptive use. Nekra and Oya were deemed as having broken Law Two because they killed baseline humans... who were trying to kill them, so it'd have been ruled reasonable self-defense literally anywhere else. Melter was punished for breaking Law Three because he damaged the island, even though the island consciousness had already forgiven him. Finally, Madison Jeffries, in probably the single most arbitrary ruling of the bunch, broke Law Three by... petitioning for Danger to be allowed onto the island, and apparently hosting any sort of AI disrespects This Sacred Land.

The whole point was to show that their condemnations were a flex of political muscle above all else - to show the Three Laws meant business, they rounded up everyone who could be said to have broken them in even the most minor technical way and dropped 'em in.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Mar 5th 2025 at 3:25:35 AM

KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#15167: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:30:51 PM

It won't be until after Way of X and the terraforming of Arakko that Krakoa starts to reform for the better.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#15168: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:32:23 PM

Stacy-X was handing out condoms herself as I recall. I'm not sure how her conversation with Nightcrawler went.

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#15169: Mar 5th 2025 at 4:09:39 PM

Tbh with all the super science around maybe it was artificial wombs or something. Sinister certainly has experience with that. Just check the tube babies for any Sinister extras.
Sinister is a lot of things but no deadbeat. I'm sure if those babies were his creations, there'd be Sinister clones taking care of them. It makes no sense, both because of the timing and because X-Force showed that Krakoa has communal nurseries and other resources for babies and young children. They wouldn't be abandoned.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#15170: Mar 5th 2025 at 4:13:51 PM

I think most of those babies remained and grew up on Krakoa when it was shunted off to the White Hot Room.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#15171: Mar 5th 2025 at 5:02:53 PM

[up][up] possibility of X-office coordination failure aside, it is likely Stacy-X was specifically referring to infants abandoned by their birth parents specifically the cases that sent their kids to fosters homes or orphanages just so they wouldn't have to bother with rearing them.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#15172: Mar 5th 2025 at 6:46:41 PM

I need to find that issue because that's exactly the sort of thing I liked reading about Krakoa.

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#15173: Mar 5th 2025 at 10:52:25 PM

"it doesn't take much to say state-sponsored rapes occurred as a result." Uh, no, there is absolutely no reason to believe that happened. That's a terrible thing to suspect. The majority of the Quiet Council would've been 100% opposed to any form of sexual assault. (Apocalypse likely wouldn't have cared much, nor would Sinister. Shaw seems like the type to have actually committed it, but convinced himself it wasn't actually assault.) So, no state-sponsored rapes absolutely would not have been a thing on Krakoa.

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#15174: Mar 5th 2025 at 11:04:10 PM

And it's not like they were needed to convince young adult Mutants to fuck anyway.

That's why there were so many new babies that were being ditched. Krakoa was enabling a sense of freedom and hedonism in a whole bunch of people who were oppressed for so long. Of course they were going to fuck, with or without the "make more Mutants" thing. The main problem that brought was the lack of contraception. Hence the babies.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#15175: Mar 5th 2025 at 11:27:51 PM

Yeah that was a horrible take I made there. Sorry about that.


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