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    Original OP 
Okay, it seems to me that the thread on "X-Men: Schism" has run its course, and since everyone seems to be commenting on how the conversation is talking about general parts of the franchise, I guess I should start a thread talking about all that.

I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.

One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.

All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#9876: Jun 12th 2021 at 5:39:23 PM

So wait? Everyone having the X-Gene isn't a thing?

Both X Men and X-Men: Evolution lied to me?

Curses!

One Strip! One Strip!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9877: Jun 12th 2021 at 11:53:03 PM

No, it is not a thing in the main 616 comics continuity.

It's even worse in the Ultimates verse since in that continuity there is no such thing as a natural Mutant period. All Mutants in the Ultimate verse were artificial due to being the by-product of a Super-Soldier project. This actually caused Ultimate Magneto to have a breakdown when he learned about it.

Though technically speaking, "natural" superpowers aren't a thing in the main 616 continuity either. All human superpowers are the by-product of the Celestials' experiments on humanity's ancestors. Marvel humans are about as "natural" as the bananas we buy in the supermarket.

Edited by M84 on Jun 13th 2021 at 2:57:59 AM

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GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#9878: Jun 13th 2021 at 10:27:24 AM

Actually, that's also the way things started in 616 as well. Mutations were caused by the radioactivity released in the world. This changed later, as the atomic fear became a thing of the past and writers wanted to introduce mutants dated from before the O5 and the Brotherhood.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#9880: Jun 14th 2021 at 8:21:44 PM

Okay that giant purple villain is really cool looking.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#9881: Jun 14th 2021 at 9:16:43 PM

Having fully caught up to the X-Men book (working on the others) it is good to know that Mystique will not be the cause of Krakoa’s end.

I know Inferno was announced and it’s probably gonna be her taking revenge but it’s clearly not the end of the Krakoa era. None of the main books appear to be nearing its end, we have new series announced in the works or just started including the upcoming new X-Men run, so regardless of what Mystique does it will not be the end of Krakoa.

She’s prolly just do some damage and signal the next phase of the era, with something prolly happening to Xavier and Moira. Well either way I get enjoyment from Mystique’s pain, she is such an absolute trash bag of a person that she deserves everything she has coming.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9882: Jun 14th 2021 at 9:47:41 PM

I suspect that whatever happens with Mystique, this will ultimately force a confrontation about the whole "no precogs allowed" thing on Krakoa.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#9883: Jun 15th 2021 at 5:00:03 AM

Its interesting to think about, if Mystique actually does go through on trying to destroy Krakoa then that is sort of a massive moral event horizon.

Cause Krakoa is a Mutant paradise providing homes and a general safe environment for millions of people free from discrimination and prejudice but Mystique is potentially willing to destroy all of it, ruin so many lives just because she can't get her wife back.

It is monumentally selfish. Especially when you contrast her to the other villains who recognize that Krakoa is something to fight and even die for. Gorgon, evil as fuck motherfucker sacrificed his life during X of Swords to grant Krakoa the points they need for victory.

While her grievance towards Xavier and Magneto is justified, she would take it too far by destroying Krakoa.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9884: Jun 15th 2021 at 6:19:47 AM

She already crossed the moral event horizon a long time ago. She has multiple crimes on her ledger that each could be considered a moral event horizon depending on whom you ask.

As for other Mutant villains giving Krakoa a chance...Mystique's different in that while Krakoa seems to have provided the other villains something they never even realized they needed in their lives, Krakoa is denying Mystique the one thing she wants more than anything else: Destiny back.

That's no excuse though. Legion's also pretty upset that Krakoa isn't bringing Blindfold back, but he seems to be willing to help Nightcrawler figure out a way to resolve Krakoa's issues of the soul.

Like I said though, I think that while Krakoa isn't going to be destroyed by Mystique, her attempts to destroy it will lead to a reckoning concerning the precog issue.

Edited by M84 on Jun 15th 2021 at 9:24:35 PM

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#9885: Jun 15th 2021 at 6:32:54 AM

I kind of think of it in a way as a comic reviewer put it; the Hellfire Gala was more like the end of Act 1 of the Hickman Era, with Krakoa being at their peak.

I think Mystiques role in the greater scheme of things is not being the one to bring the society down, but the shine a bright light the secrets Charles and Magneto are hiding. I think the Mystique storyline is ultimately going to end with her getting killed in their desperate attempt to keep Moira a secret.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9886: Jun 15th 2021 at 6:37:26 AM

They can't keep pretending that precogs like Blindfold and Destiny haven't been revived yet because there's a long queue for resurrections for much longer.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#9887: Jun 15th 2021 at 6:43:19 AM

Not that I'm trying to endorse fridging, but I'm honestly surprised Charles and Erik didn't just send Mystique on a suicide mission and push her to the back of the queue for revival as well.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9888: Jun 15th 2021 at 7:09:41 AM

That'd easily backfire. Mystique's the type who survives "suicide" missions.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#9889: Jun 15th 2021 at 9:39:22 AM

That's true.

Honestly, it's surprising they aren't ready for this.

They know what kind of person Mystique is, and the situation is tailor made to get a reaction out of her (she wants Destiny, they won't give her back).

I wonder how much of it is them being afraid that pre cogs might derail things, and how much of it is Moira holding a grudge.

Also, if there was a way to give Mystique back Destiny, would they do it? Like, if that's her only beef, then it would be a good way to, if not get her to fall in line, at least keep her from being a threat in the future.

Maybe it would have been better if they just found a way to assassinate her. Cause she's way too dangerous to keep around, and they can't give her the one thing that would mitigate her dangerousness.

One Strip! One Strip!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#9890: Jun 15th 2021 at 9:50:49 AM

Honestly Destiny has been Mystique's Lost Lenore for so long I sometimes forget she was in fact an active character for a while. Much more interested in Blindfold with regards to the "no precogs" thing.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9891: Jun 15th 2021 at 9:52:15 AM

Trying to assassinate Mystique also wouldn't end well. She's the type to survive assassination attempts too.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#9892: Jun 15th 2021 at 9:56:53 AM

Well Mystique is a cockroach after all.

Incredibly hard to kill.

[up][up][up] I wonder how much they actually know about her true feelings. Cause as shown in the Ninrod issue Xavier reads her thoughts and I doubt he cares much about privacy in regards to a potential threat like her.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2021 at 9:59:03 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9893: Jun 15th 2021 at 9:58:52 AM

It doesn't help that she can easily disappear into a crowd thanks to her shapeshifting. It also doesn't help that her shapeshifting has become so complete that she can even fool Wolverine's senses. This makes it very easy for her to fake her death if necessary.

So not only would any attempt on her life fail, you wouldn't even know it failed until it's too late.

Edited by M84 on Jun 16th 2021 at 1:00:15 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#9894: Jun 15th 2021 at 10:03:41 AM

There’s something amusing about how the big time large than life villains like Apocalypse regularly did but the smaller more despicably personal villains like Mystique and Sabertooth always stay alive like the vermin they are.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JWR Black, nerdy, and loving it! Since: Jun, 2019
Black, nerdy, and loving it!
#9895: Jun 15th 2021 at 11:10:54 AM

Something tells me that Inferno is going to end with some kind of reveal wherein Charles and Erik expected the stuff with Nimrod and Mystique and had some contingency plan.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#9896: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:08:09 PM

Yeah if we think of this saga in terms of acts, I don't think Mystique is going to necessarily succeed so much as she'll sow distrust within the community.

Like my real prediction is this Inferno storyline will ultimately culminate in the Quiet Council as a whole getting dissolved.

Edited by Lionheart0 on Jun 15th 2021 at 3:11:08 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#9897: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:15:56 PM

Man I am not look forward to Arakko bragging about that.

Isca's cultural posturing over how superior they are was annoying considering they are nothing more than a pack of mindless warmongers.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2021 at 12:16:05 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JWR Black, nerdy, and loving it! Since: Jun, 2019
Black, nerdy, and loving it!
#9898: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:39:09 PM

[up][up] I think the aim is to get them Mutants of Krakoa to be more active in the world and less isolated. I say less because they still need to keep a reasonable distance from humanity. Starting with King in Black, it seems that the Mutants have been becoming more proactive in defending Earth as a whole and not just their own.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#9899: Jun 16th 2021 at 6:56:54 AM

I have to add that it is kinda fitting that Arakko gets the planet named after the god of war.

JWR Black, nerdy, and loving it! Since: Jun, 2019
Black, nerdy, and loving it!
#9900: Jun 16th 2021 at 7:00:19 AM

[up] You're right. I didn't even make the connection until now. That's genius! I really enjoyed Planet-Size X-Men. If for nothing else, it was really cool to see all of the Omega Level Mutants together in one book.


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