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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
I don't think Marvel paid anyone. When you're a public figure, people can use your appearance more or less however they want.
It's why SNL never had to pay David Ortiz any of the times Kenan Thompson impersonated him.
As for why celebrities were in the Krakoa Gala? Because it's supposed to be reminiscent of the Met Gala or the Oscars and similar events. It's not anything new for comics.
The Dark Knight Returns has flaws, but Letterman being in it isn't really one of them.
Well that depends. Are they being used for a one-off gag or is it a case of using the likeness to promote something? In the SNL case, Marvel had to negotiate with NBC to use the rights to the cast, and the same was done with David Letterman that one time he guest-starred in an issue, while DKR used a lookalike.
Considering all these celebrities are being advertised to promote the thing, I presume the use of likeness rights and payment of such was mandatory before being able to promote them.
Which goes back to my original question - Why? At most this seemed like a setup for a murder mystery with a political backdrop, which is kind of a cool setup, but they're focused on the fashion and the people they paid for likeness rights. It's like the writers wanted to do a prom comic for some reason.
Edited by Beatman1 on Jun 5th 2021 at 10:42:48 AM
More confused than anything. I’ll wait till the event comes out before saying it’s good or bad, the cameos being used in the advertising just threw me for a loop.
A lot depends on how the celebrities are depicted.
If it's just a neutral depiction of a famous person, like showing them in a crowd or giving them some generic dialogue, that'd probably require getting likeness rights. However, if the story actively makes fun of them, then that's parody, which is considered fair use under copyright law.
Hey everyone... I asked before about a collab being done for a Marvel Multiverse which would be animated as I was told, and even seen some secret clips. However, there are some choices that I think could use outside input, as many MANY of the target fans are MCU fans with little to no comic knowledge.
My questions have to do with the X-Men, the Phoenix in particular... before I dive in too deep, I wanna ask a few questions about the Phoenix Force...
1. Does the Phoenix Force have any spiritual power? (not like tapping INTO spirit power)
2. Can another entity have the power to override the Judgment of the Phoenix?
3. Can another entity or “Phoenix” enter the WHR and the Crown, EVEN if the Phoenix Force doesn't want them there?
4. Did the comics ever state that White Phoenix/White Phoenix of the Crown is exclusively an achievement only meant for Jean Grey?
5. Is it possible for there to be a “force" that can manipulate the essence of psionic energy, to the point of disrupting the nexus?
6. IS the Phoenix Force a Phoenix being, OR just the psychic force that simply takes on a Firebird form?
7. Lastly… what does “One True Phoenix” mean, comic wise? I need to know what was the comic canon definition…
over in the hellfire gala namor shows up and erik and charles try to pitch to him again and he tells them basically to fuck off he doesnt want to play pretend that the other mutants on the council are his peers when he is above them and then he goes to join a group of black bolt, dr. strange, black panther, tony stark, mr. fantastic, and captain america aka the illuminauti
Thinking about the resurrection stuff on Krakoa, it's pretty convenient that it relying on Cerebro backups means that the resurrectees don't actually remember the moment of their death. Imagine the trauma they'd have upon coming back to life if they did remember.
I still think it's a frighteningly fragile system since it relies on people who are not easily replaceable vs. a machine that can be repaired or rebuilt.
Edited by M84 on Jun 10th 2021 at 12:41:49 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThere is some nice foreshadowing in the newest issue, hinting at the Quiet Council seats being filled, and also the existence of a possible third council.
It's still impressive to me the leeway Marvel has given Hickman. The biggest conflict in this issue was Namor refusing a Council seat.
And of course, the winking at the X-men joining the MCU by having Cyclops talk to Feige was a nice touch.
Oh, and that we probably haven't seen the last of the Locus Vile in some way.
Edited by ArthurEld on Jun 10th 2021 at 10:41:28 AM
As I recall one description of them, it’s like when certain kids try to act or join to be apart of minority groups in a desire to feel belonged to a group.
Interestingly the Buddy whitest of the group is the one taking this the most far, to the point most of the team is heavily questioning her plan to use Cole’s shirt to bypass the gates.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I see, do you think Xavier is gonna act similarly to what he acted to Franklin after hew as Brought Down to Normal if he finds them?
Is there a way within the Marvel universe to turn regular humans into mutants? If guys like Franklin or those children want to be, and a deep check finds no hidden agenda, perhaps they should be turned. The first law basically spells that.
Ultimate Secret WarsWell, everyone technically has the X-gene. I’ve often theorized that guys like Spider-Man and the Hulk got their powers because their accidents artificially flipped the on switch on there own respective X-gene so to speak.
So considering how often someone mutants get their powers turned off, it could be possible to trigger the on position in some people, like what Fox Magneto and X-men Evo Apocalypse planned to do.
Hell, Sage had the power to trigger latent mutants (not sure what means though), so we have something of a precedent.
One Strip! One Strip!It's not that everyone has an X-gene. It's that every human being has the potential to develop superpowers.
Mutants are different since they don't need an external catalyst to develop their mutations.
As for creating an artificial X-gene...in the Runaways comic it was revealed that it is possible to create them.
Edited by M84 on Jun 13th 2021 at 2:18:09 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised

Yeah, Maron is a comedian whose biggest claim to fame was being on GLOW (2017), which got cancelled during the pandemic. He also had a whole bit during a stand up show about how much he hated comic books and comic book movies, and when he was in a bit role in Joker (2019) went on Conan to remind people how much he hated them.
No idea why Marvel gave him money. Or any of these people money for that matter.
Edited by Beatman1 on Jun 4th 2021 at 7:21:25 AM