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    Original OP 
Okay, it seems to me that the thread on "X-Men: Schism" has run its course, and since everyone seems to be commenting on how the conversation is talking about general parts of the franchise, I guess I should start a thread talking about all that.

I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.

One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.

All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#8351: Feb 5th 2020 at 3:53:49 PM

Hickman has gushed a lot about his love for the X-Men. They were his favorite characters as a kid and he's wanted to write them since then. He clearly knows a lot about them, too; he's pulled aspects of lore for his run from every corner of their history, not just pre-1990 plus Cable and a few random Morrison or Aaron characters like most writers do. That, to me, suggests someone who would not intentionally make them look bad or destroy what he's built for them.

But I also know just how powerful Status Quo Is God is in serial media.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Feb 5th 2020 at 6:37:00 AM

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#8352: Feb 5th 2020 at 3:56:44 PM

I can buy that.

As I understand, there are a lot of mutants who haven't been seen in years who're appearing in his run.

And he also wrote the FF recently, so I suppose he gets them pretty well too.

Anyway, the fact that this run is doing so many new things with Mutants is more than enough to earn faith from people.

Hopefully he's fighting to create something so influential that future writers decide to keep it around instead of burning it to the ground and returning things to the previous status quo.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#8353: Feb 5th 2020 at 8:56:27 PM

Yes, Norman Osborne gained a large amount of power during Dark Reign, and Lex Luthor was president over in DC....but they ain't Donald Trump. They're more subtle.

Luthor is more subtle, but prior to becoming director of HAMMER, Osborn strafed his own court hearing with pumpkin bombs on live television. That arguably puts Trump's "grab em by the p*ssy" and historically bad business decisions to shame. Ironically, Luthor's the one who has been compared to Trump despite being less likely to be publicly exposed as a scum bag.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#8354: Feb 5th 2020 at 9:25:49 PM

Luthor only loses his shit when Superman is concerned.

Norman got pumped full of crazy juice.

...Trump needs no Superman. The fucking universe is his Superman. And if he drank the goblin formula he'd probably corrupt it instead of the other way around.

If I had to choose between Luthor, Norman and Trump, those former two would win. They'd probably somehow do less damage....or put aside their differences to save the world from Trump.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#8355: Feb 6th 2020 at 7:54:03 AM

Status Quo Is God and the Shared Universe will remain the yoke that keep the X-Men in a state of near perpetual extinction. There cannot be a mutant nation, a mutant culture, mutant music, etc, because that goes against the status quo that they need for films and the like. It’s part of why people get fed up and leave comics. Because the stories are designed in such a way they can never have a satisfactory ending.

So whenever that X-Men movie is greenlit, I expect Krakoa to go bye.

neutrino Since: Feb, 2017
#8356: Feb 6th 2020 at 8:14:52 AM

Everyone's calling Reed Richards a jerk, but are they forgetting Charles Xavier made a yearly copy of Franklin's mind without permission, updated weekly?

This is supposed to be Captain Kate, but she looks and acts like Kitty, down to the uniform. She doesn't even correct Franklin when he calls her that. Either Zdarsky isn't aware of her new brutality in the Marauders, or she's being deceptive. I wonder if she'll show him her new hobby of kneecapping, or at least get him drunk?

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Cortez Since: May, 2009
#8358: Feb 6th 2020 at 3:55:29 PM

[up]×2

And i don't blame anyone for finding current Xavier suspicious.

"They truly were a Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#8359: Feb 6th 2020 at 11:29:52 PM

"We still calling them a sex cult just because of that make more Mutants line?" Nope, because true X-fans have been calling them a sex cult for years.

[up][up][up] I mean, she's talking a teen boy she knew when she was his age. No shit Kate's going to be different when talking to him than she is when talking with the X-Men. Zdarsky's writing the Kitty Pryde he's always loved, but context matters, so his handling of her doesn't contradict Duggan's take in Marauders.

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HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#8360: Feb 7th 2020 at 10:35:51 AM

I had to chuckle a bit when I saw the teens have an entire district of the island to themselves. Like, really, what do you think they do there?

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#8361: Feb 7th 2020 at 10:39:28 AM

Playing lots of video-games. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#8362: Feb 7th 2020 at 10:45:27 AM

[up]This isn’t X Men 92.

Then again in X-Men 92, they actually were making headway on Xavier’s dream.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#8363: Feb 7th 2020 at 12:40:50 PM

Fabian Nicieza and Ron Garney Unite for 'Juggernaut' #1

"After years of back and forth and madness and sadness, [Juggernaut] had become a member in good standing of the X-Men, and then while he's away dancing in Limbo, mutantkind gets everything they could have ever hoped for...and Cain can't be a part of that," he notes. "How he reacts to that rejection becomes the exploration of who he is going to become without the one thing that—for good and bad—has defined him for most of his life."
Poor Juggy. At least he's going to get a new sidekick in this mini-series.

Also, for the Iron Man 2020 event, we have iWolverine 2020, by Larry Hama and Roland Boschi, about Albert and Elsie-Dee!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#8364: Feb 7th 2020 at 1:58:30 PM

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Wait. How did Cain become a good guy again?

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#8365: Feb 7th 2020 at 2:02:59 PM

He befriended Sammy the fish boy.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#8366: Feb 7th 2020 at 2:07:18 PM

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That was a long time ago!

Sammy died, Cain became evil again during World War Hulk, then Collossus was the Juggernaut, then lost that power, which is when I’m guessing Cain got it back, but he should still be evil right?

So again, when did he become good again?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Feb 7th 2020 at 8:53:47 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#8367: Feb 7th 2020 at 2:12:21 PM

In Rosenberg's Uncanny run (right before HOXPOX), Cain showed up as a new member of the Brotherhood, but ended up turning on them when it was revealed Magneto was actually Joseph and he joined with the X-Men to help them. However, towards the end, after Magik's power was suppressed and the Darkchylde came out (yeah, just go with it), she crushed the Gem of Cyttorak, banishing him into Limbo.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 7th 2020 at 2:15:07 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#8368: Feb 7th 2020 at 4:18:57 PM

Why would Cain even care that Magneto was Joseph? Despite what other media claims, he’s never really been a member of any Brotherhood that Erik lead.

But sure, whatever. Rosenberg and all that.

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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#8369: Feb 7th 2020 at 7:08:33 PM

Geez, the X-Teens have a district to themselves. I assume it's called District CDXX (420) or District LXIX (69).

Cortez Since: May, 2009
#8370: Feb 7th 2020 at 7:34:32 PM

Wasn't Juggernaut in the post War of the Realms Punisher book?

"They truly were a Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#8371: Feb 7th 2020 at 10:44:34 PM

I mean, yeah, Juggernaut got out of Limbo with his powers intact, so I guess this book will explain how.

Also, was Punisher Kill Krew good? I heard good things about it and it sounds just crazy enough that I would like it.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 7th 2020 at 10:45:00 AM

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#8372: Feb 7th 2020 at 10:46:55 PM

X-Men had a war of realms tie in too didn't it? so maybe the kill krew was before he got sent to limbo

punisher kill krew was just dumb fun that knew it was dumb fun. my favorite panel was frank recreating the "here's johnny" scene but just saying time to die, while wearing a viking helmet.

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Feb 7th 2020 at 10:50:11 AM

neutrino Since: Feb, 2017
#8373: Feb 8th 2020 at 3:24:18 AM

" I mean, she's talking a teen boy she knew when she was his age. No shit Kate's going to be different when talking to him than she is when talking with the X-Men. Zdarsky's writing the Kitty Pryde he's always loved, but context matters, so his handling of her doesn't contradict Duggan's take in Marauders."

This isn't talking differently, it's a totally different persona. Different uniform, different behavior, different name. Moreover, everyone's saying that she isn't treating him like a teenager, but an adult capable of making his own decisions.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#8374: Feb 8th 2020 at 7:06:04 AM

She's talking to him like a friend and of course she isn't correcting him when he calls her Kitty, because that just reinforces the bond that they had once.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#8375: Feb 8th 2020 at 8:22:23 PM

[up][up] Kate behaves differently on a trip to talk to a kid she used to know than she does when she's on a pirate ship fighting people oppressing mutants? Imagine that.

Franklin brings out softer emotions in her. That's all it is.

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