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RedM Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Oct 16th 2019 at 5:44:31 PM

Just read X-Men #1... Does anyone else think Karima looked a little like Ultron in that one panel where her face opened up? Probably just a coincidence... but I’ll be pleasantly surprised if it’s foreshadowing, especially because I feel like Ultron would have strong opinions on whether or not mutants become the dominant species instead of machines.

Also I just assumed Logan was over Jean and they just let him stay in the house because he’s the “family friend that’s basically an uncle” in the same way Ben Grimm is to the FF. I think it’s cool, even if it shatters my dreams of a totally rad Colossus/Wolverine/Nightcrawler bachelor pad.

Edited by RedM on Oct 16th 2019 at 6:47:41 AM

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Oct 16th 2019 at 7:55:26 PM

For years, I've wanted an end to the Scott/Jean/Logan triangle. For Jean to get a chance to move on, to date other people.

So fucking much for that idea. Nope, Jean's entire existence has to be permanently and exclusively dedicated to those two dudes.

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
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Oct 16th 2019 at 7:57:59 PM

I mean Scott's practically defined by his relationship to either Jean or Emma.

Same with Logan. Those two are tied together with her as much as she is with them.

Plus this actually is an end to the love triangle.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 16th 2019 at 7:59:56 AM

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Oct 16th 2019 at 8:30:13 PM

So fucking much for that idea. Nope, Jean's entire existence has to be permanently and exclusively dedicated to those two dudes.
I mean, I wouldn't say that at all. For one thing, the page we discussing is literally just one data page, which is literally just a blueprint of the Summer House.

And for another thing — if Scott can have something with Lorna or Emma, I don't see why Jean can't either. After all, she did share a beer with Emma, too.

By the way, I just remembered an old idea I had for an Inhumans comic and how remarkably similar some of it was to House of X (establishing a nation on an island — although in this case, it's re-establishing a nation — and sending an announcement to the world that they would accept any and all Inhumans).

Edited by alliterator on Oct 16th 2019 at 8:42:27 AM

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
Oct 16th 2019 at 8:49:08 PM

[up] There is exactly ZERO fucking chance of Marvel letting Jean be bi. They won't let anyone they actually care about be queer.

Logan's had loads of girlfriends. In fact, I'd argue his relationship with Storm is probably be more popular among readers. Beyond that, Logan is The Loner, Scott is The Hero. They're defined in big ways by those roles. Jean's never really gotten the chance to define herself outside her relationships to a couple men. X-Men Red tried, by highlighting her radical compassion.

I just want Jean to get the opportunity to date someone other than Scott or Logan.

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Oct 16th 2019 at 8:52:04 PM

By the way, we have interviews about the new X-Force (which includes Jean) and Fallen Angels.

Bryan Hill's Fallen Angels sounds especially interesting:

Ever since Elizabeth Braddock separated from Kwannon, I’ve been concerned about what would happen to Kwannon. I didn’t want her lost in the shuffle because I’ve always thought she was an underdeveloped and interesting character. I also felt that there was a tremendous injustice in Kwannon being robbed of the agency of her own body. How would she feel part of a mutant community that she’s never actually known? That’s where the conversation started. When I realized that I could have Psylocke, the one I identified with as a kid, then I was in… but I still didn’t want to do something rote. I’m not particularly good at banter–action–banter–joke–action, and right now I’m going through a personal transformation that I think shows up in my work, where my mind is. I told Hickman I wanted to do something that was lyrical, philosophical, and about the role that warriors play in a utopia. I wanted to explore identity and purpose and how peace itself can be an enemy. I also wanted to explore what would happen if mutants left humanity to evolve itself, and what the role of technology would be in that. There’s a lot of William Gibson in this. A lot of futurism. From those conversations, I came up with a story and we moved forward.

When I think of the phrase “Fallen Angels,” I think of Lucifer, in a mythological sense. Lucifer the Light-bearer that saw no justice in Heaven and rebelled against it. Lucifer punished by a lake of endless fire, but in a Miltonian sense, reigning in Hell rather than serving Heaven. What does it mean to be of Heaven but also an enemy of Heaven? Mutants leaving the human world behind creates a vacuum in evolution, and what will fill that vacuum? After a mutant exodus to Heaven, what will happen to the world left behind? What “gods” step into that world and how would they shape it? When you are given Heaven, how easy is it to cease to care about the world you’re leaving behind?


There is exactly ZERO fucking chance of Marvel letting Jean be bi. They won't let anyone they actually care about be queer.
I would have said that there was a zero chance they would allow anyone in their books to be in a poly relationship and yet here we are. They are giving Hickman a blank slate and if he wanted to, I bet he would be allowed to let Jean or Emma or Kitty or Illyana be queer. It didn't hurt DC when they announced Wonder Woman was bi (even if that still hasn't manifested that well in the comics).

Edited by alliterator on Oct 16th 2019 at 8:55:12 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
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Oct 16th 2019 at 8:57:52 PM

Really relationships are overrated.

Either stick with tried & true or just move on from the whole thing altogether.

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Oct 16th 2019 at 9:02:56 PM

[up][up] DC's long had a much better handling of queer rep than Marvel. I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong. But I genuinely believe Marvel is still at a point where they want any of their marketable characters to be straight. They'll let less-marketable characters come out, and if any of them get popular, hey, cool, but characters who are already popular? Nope, not happening. New Mutants isn't going to have Illyana hook up with Karma, X-Men isn't going to show Scott and Logan smooching. Hickman's got a pretty shit history in regards to queer rep, too, so I doubt it's something he's put any thought into in X-Men.

Edited by Tiamatty on Oct 16th 2019 at 12:03:10 PM

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Oct 16th 2019 at 9:40:38 PM

But I genuinely believe Marvel is still at a point where they want any of their marketable characters to be straight.
America Chavez (part of Marvel Rising), Iceman (part of the Marauders Dawn of X reboot), Nico and Karolina (part of Runaways, both the comic and the show), Deadpool (lots and lots of comics and two movies, one of which has a queer couple in it).

I'm not saying that Marvel can't improve on their queer representation (Sina Grace has pointed out a lot of problems behind the scenes with their lack of support for his book), but saying that they will never let a marketable character come out — when they did that with Iceman and he's literally one of the longest running mutants — is just incorrect.

And frankly, I'm tired of the pessimism, too. Like Cypher said, "You need to bury all that cynicism and replace it with good old-fashioned hope."

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Oct 16th 2019 at 10:20:38 PM

Between that Logan/Scott/Jean panel in House of X #6 (with Scott's hand over Logan's chest, possibly stroking) and their living arrangements, I think Hickman left room for readers to have a queer interpretation of that situationship. I have no problems with what's going on right now, it's not exactly spelled out but I do think Scott and Jean have an "arrangement" going on and quite frankly? I'm for it. It's a different type of relationship and I think it works.

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Oct 16th 2019 at 11:00:36 PM

[up][up] They let Iceman come out because they didn't particularly care much about him. He was one of those characters who was just around, not really doing much of anything.

And I will retain my cynicism until Storm hate-fucks Mystique. Give me a scene where Mystique asks Logan if Storm tied him up, too. I will not be satisfied until that happens.

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Oct 16th 2019 at 11:10:24 PM

They let Iceman come out because they didn't particularly care much about him.
Yes, they certainly didn't care about one of the original five X-Men. That's why they never publicized the storyline and never sent out press releases that they were doing it and never had it reported in major publications. Because they just didn't care.

I mean, we just had a crossover where a book was literally described as "gay rage." Like, it was about the sex police, but all of them were queer (well, except for Blob).

But fuck it, unless we see some BDSM, let's not believe any representation will ever happen!

Like, you do realize that both Leah Williams and Vita Ayala are going to be writing X-books in the future, right? And you don't believe they will include any queer characters? You don't believe they will — and I'm looking at Leah especially here — make Emma Frost canonically queer? At all?

Shit, sucks to be you, then.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 16th 2019 at 11:11:34 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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Oct 17th 2019 at 9:30:08 AM

Just had a crazy thought. Xavier and the Five are capable of bringing back any mutant on the face of the earth, right?

Does this mean we might see Thunderbird again in the not too distant future?

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Oct 17th 2019 at 9:52:07 AM

That may not be possible — I don't think Xavier's Cerebro was copying minds at the time when Thunderbird died. But they do have his DNA on file — in fact, it's what Mutant Sinister used to turn himself into a mutant.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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Oct 17th 2019 at 11:13:27 AM

Preview of Marauders #1 and I'm already in love. "Do it for the wardrobe."

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Oct 17th 2019 at 4:20:45 PM

I saw this on tumblr, and it does a really good job expressing what I've been trying to say about the X-Men being a really good metaphor for the disability community for a while now.

I gotta say, though, this is a place where the X-men are being a good metaphor for oppressed minorities. Specifically, in this case, the disabled community.

“Yay, there’s a cure!” says the girl with depression. “Cure for what, motherfucker, I’m not sick,” says the person with autism.

“Yay, there’s a cure!” I say, with my fibromyalgia and random bad pain days. “Yes, because it’s easier to talk about eliminating us than talk about teaching sign language in school,” says the Deaf person. “‘Cure’ is violent rhetoric.”

The problem is, of course, that a vast number of things have been aggregated under the label of “disability,” and many of them don’t even resemble each other. Depression sucks in an objective fashion, whereas autism is just a way of being (which, like many ways of being, may suck at some times, and generally sucks worse when not accommodated). Similar deal with chronic pain versus the Deaf community. These things really should not be grouped together, but they are. And since they are grouped so haphazardly, they will often be at cross-purposes.

It is ridiculous, in the X-men universe, to classify all “mutants” as one group. You have ridiculously powerful people with little downside, you have powerful people with a major downside, you have people with very limited powers but few drawbacks, you have people with limited powers and massive drawbacks, and that’s not even getting into other divisions, like whether you look like a baseline human all the time, part of the time, or none of the time. “Realistically,” if you can apply that word to a fantasy universe, Storm and Rogue belong to completely different minorities which should require completely different approaches. But society has grouped them under one umbrella, or forced them to group themselves for self-protection, and thus you have conversations like the one above.

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 17th 2019 at 7:21:09 AM

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Oct 17th 2019 at 6:34:26 PM

So this is pretty interesting. Back in 2015, Cullen Bunn took over writing a relaunched Uncanny X-Men — it basically was a continuation of his Magneto book, along with a dash of X-Force, but that wasn't his first pitch. "My first pitch, however, was a cosmic team with Rachel Summers in charge and a new Captain Britain. [...] Their ship was powered by the Siege Perilous. And they would have encountered alien mutants across the universe." Apparently, everyone liked it except for one editor who convinced the others to veto it — that one editor disliked disliked anything cosmic (which begs the question of why they were in the X-office in the first place).

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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Oct 18th 2019 at 4:43:16 PM

Huh. You know, I just had a thought. We know that we're getting a Moira X comic and we know Hickman had a very specific person he wanted to write it and they agreed, but we don't know who. I just had an idea of whom it might be and...well, I really, really hope it's them: Warren Ellis.

Ellis has written Moira before (he wrote Excalibur in the mid-'90s) and he's very used to writing Hickman-style science fiction and it sounds like Moira's character and new power set would be right up his alley. Plus, his writing of Maria Kilbride in Injection already reminds me of Moira.

God I hope I'm right.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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Oct 19th 2019 at 8:41:10 AM

[up] That would be a revelation. And he would get the accent right.

It must be possible; it's happening!
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Oct 19th 2019 at 9:10:57 AM

[up]Yeah, the only odd thing about Hickman's Moira is that there seems to be a distinct lack of Scottish-ness.

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Oct 22nd 2019 at 12:50:00 PM

So, I'm finally reading the first issue of the new X-men series.

Man, that line about Apes with PHD's is very different when you see the actual context behind it Let me tell you.

I mean, I think having the scientists actually turn themselves into Apes before attacking the X-Men was the only way to keep that line from either being racist or just really unsympathetic on the part of the X-Men.

Still not totally sure how to feel about it, but as far as I know, Hickman isn't another in the long line of secret Racists and Sexist men that have been crawling out of the woodwork in the past decade or so, so I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Oct 22nd 2019 at 1:16:07 PM

Yeah, that's a line that I thought "This would be racist in a completely different context, but in this context, it's hilarious."

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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Oct 23rd 2019 at 12:40:34 AM

Marauders #1 was a goddamn delight.

The reason that Kate has a broken nose and black eye is because she tried to walk through a portal to Krakoa...and it was like walking into a brick wall. No portals to Krakoa work for her. So she stole a boat and sailed to Krakoa (picking up some supplies for Logan along the way, too), while she was also offered a job as the Red Queen of the Hellfire Trading Company by Emma Frost.

Just as she gets to Krakoa, Iceman goes through a portal that isn't seeing any traffic and finds that it's in Vladivostok, Russia, and they aren't letting any mutants through at all. Mutants are either to serve the state or go to the gulag. When Iceman returns with this information, Kate decides it's time to get on the boat again and SET SAIL FOR RUSSIA! Also, she's drunk.

In Taipei, a woman holds a press conference and claims her husband touched one of the Krakoan gates and disappeared, never to return. Bishop tries to ask her questions, saying that they have no record of her husband on Krakoa, but she refuses to answer anything.

On the boat, Pyro wakes up and it turns out he's the original Australian Pyro. He was the first mutant they resurrected as a guinea pig. So Kate, Storm, Iceman, Pyro, and Lockheed go in and fight off the soldiers around the Russian gate, with Kate eventually knocking most of them out and Pyro using DRAGONFIRE to make the rest retreat. The Russian mutants go into the gate and Kate makes a declaration on camera: "If you're a mutant and you can't get to Krakoa...then the Marauders will bring you home!"

Back on the boat, Storm isn't happy with the name "Marauders," but Kate says that she was on the spot and didn't think they should be associated with the X-Men. Storm (and the others) are in, though. Kate raises a pirate flag as she telepathically tells Emma Frost that she accepts.

Then there are some more of Sinister Secrets teasing future storylines.

NEXT: SHIP OUT

Edited by alliterator on Oct 23rd 2019 at 12:42:50 PM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:25:28 PM

So Kate Pryde is kind of a disaster and I'm here for it.

Kitty Pryde: Responsible, voice of reason, tries to avoid hurting people.

Kate Pryde: "IMMA GET DRUNK AND FUCK SOMEONE UP!"

Kate Pryde is now the X-Men's embodiment of "Be Gay, Do Crimes."

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Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:20:33 PM

Kitty Pryde: Always careful to avoid harming anyone more than is needed.

Kate Pryde: "IMMA PHASE THIS GUN INTO YOUR LEGS NOW BYEEEEEEEE."

Also, OG Pyro is amazing.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:20:43 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl

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