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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Surrounded by weirdoes
Don't feed the troll, guys.
Wake me up at your own risk.
The best part was when Cyclops comes back and just shoots Wolverine with his optic blasts, saying "You're off the team."
Professional Complainer
Wolverine was also creeping on teenage Jean Grey.
But it's established that Grigor is a troll who only posts to rile people up.
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
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Yeah. Even Logan knew he had it coming. He pretty much told everyone to back off because Cyclops deserved his revenge.
You know you’re a dick when...we’ll even Logan knows he’s a dick who deserves to get shot.
One Strip! One Strip!
Also, Nightcrawler becoming a homophobic fundamentalist happened during Robert Kirkman's run and after that ended, he immediately got better. And then died during Ultimatum.
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
What the hell Kirkman?
One Strip! One Strip!
I liked the part when Magneto destroyed Wasington DC. That was awesome.
Ultimate Secret Wars
Annotations for HOX #5. They are great.
Also, I just realized that there is actually a mutant whose power it is to raise the dead — Layla Miller — but she raises them without their souls, so there's a big downside. That's not something that Cerebro can fix.
Edited by alliterator on Sep 20th 2019 at 6:10:40 AM
Grigor, you probably think Blob biting off Wasp's head and eating her was cool and funny.
Anyway, I'm hoping at least some future runs examine Krakoa with variance in how some of the other mutants view things.
I mean, what happens with Northstar's marriage?
Edited by NickTheSwing on Sep 20th 2019 at 6:51:15 AM
Sign on for this After The End Fantasy RP.
Deranged X-Mas Figure
He can always choose to not live on Krakoa. At this point they aren't forcing anyone to go that doesn't want to, and there are still mutants in the rest of the world.
Something I want addressed is how they deal with mutant parents having non-mutant children? We know that not all mutant-mutant pairings result in mutants, plus adoption being a thing and all, so what happens the first time that comes up?
The Head of the Hydra
Well I recall Mystique & Sabertooth treated their non-Mutant kid like crap.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mistakes Were Made
First thought, Deku.
First reaction; lot's of trips to mutants with healing powers to fix broken arms.
Which is the problem with the Blob and Wasp scene? It's not as if that was the first time a superhero dies.
As for Ultimatum, it was a bold move, and it has my respect because of that. It's basically "What if Marvel made an Infinity War snap... and then had the balls to make it stick?"
Edited by GrigorII on Sep 21st 2019 at 6:41:09 AM
Ultimate Secret Wars
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Didn't Blob eat her?
Yes he did.
Professional Complainer
lmao the Ultimate Universe was disposable by the time they did Ultimatum. That's why Loeb was allowed to run a lawnmower through the cast.
- It's stuffing the Wasp in the fridge.
- The Blob had never previously before been seen to eat human flesh or be cannibalistic in any way.
- The Blob has a young daughter that goes to Midtown High in New York and yet he doesn't seem at all concerned about finding her, but instead...eating people?
- It's fucking disgusting.
- It's just terrible writing.
There, those are the problems.
I'm not saying that there aren't good moments in Ultimatum. The initial premise — Magneto messing with the planet's magnetosphere so much that it causes a giant tsunami to hit different places on the planet including New York — really does work. It's a premise where the good guys can't just hit the bad guys and solve it and instead they have to work as rescue workers, trying to save as many as they can. But then...that's what it turns into, a good guy vs bad guy book. And there are dozens of moments that just there in order to kill people, without having the least bit of logic — oh look Doctor Strange is dead, killed by a character who was never seen before. Whoops.
That's the problem with Ultimatum: it's a giant excuse to kill off a bunch of characters with a plot that makes no sense and goes nowhere. And the way the characters are killed off is often gross and disturbing for no reason other than to shock the reader and that's not a good reason.
Edited by alliterator on Sep 21st 2019 at 10:55:20 AM
The Mad Doctor
The Rosenberg Run, or Rosenbutcher as I've seen some fans call it, is actually being called worse than the Austen Run in some circles. People say Austen's run was memorably bad with stupid concepts that are hilarious to laugh at. Rosenberg just sucks the life out of you.
The Rosenberg run was not worse than Austen's run. At worst, the Rosenbeg run was just painfully mediocre (ignoring the unintentionally transphobic death of Rahne). At best, it actually had a lot of good ideas that were just not done well.
The Austen run had terrible ideas that were done terribly. Hell, it had a storyline where mutant blood could cure AIDS. Yes, you read that right: mutant blood can cure AIDS. This huge revelation is just plopped down in the middle of an issue and then promptly forgotten about next issue and never mentioned again.
Let me repeat some dialogue:
- Angel: Mutants can't acquire AIDS, doctor. I would have thought you knew that.
Doctor: True, mutants don't.
WHAT. THE. FUCK? Who approved this storyline? Who thought it was a good idea? Who said, "Hey, I know we just finished up an AIDS-metaphor a few years ago with the Legacy virus, but we should totally make it so that mutants can't get AIDS. This won't be something that could totally change medicine forever, but instead something that will be brought up and dropped in a single issue."
And that isn't even the worst idea that the run had. Wait, maybe it is, but it's not the last terrible idea.
Edited by alliterator on Sep 21st 2019 at 11:59:17 AM
The Mad Doctor
Personally, I hated the concept of The Draco for the Broken Aesop where people who look like demons are demons even more than the mutants being immune to AIDS bullcrap. The former is one of the worst morals you could possibly preach in a post-9/11 world.
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Even worse than trying to make Nightcrawler the Pope?
Edited by kkhohoho on Sep 21st 2019 at 2:01:14 PM
Doctor Who — Long Way Around: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13536044/1/Doctor-Who-Long-Way-Around
Isn’t that the run where Wolverine tried to kill Cyclops so he can get into Jeans pants & Nightcrawler was turned into a homophobic religious fundamentalist?
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."