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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
Yeah I felt nothing from this. Especially Kurt and Logan talk because Logan was dead till like 6 months ago he literally just got back
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If for nothing else, this confirms that it really IS Professor X under the helmet and not Sinister or The Maker.
Calling Wanda a "pretender" is pretty clever, since for most of her life (our lives), she was thought to be a mutant until a retcon (so pretender = "false member"), as well as daughter of Magneto (pretender = "someone, maybe an heir / daughter, who could take the place of a leader, say Magneto"). The pejorative sense totally fits with the stance taken in House of X.
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Is she a Mutant or not currently?
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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Not currently, as of AXIS. (Or maybe Original Sin?)
It still reeks of Marvel top brass wanting her and Quicksilver distanced from mutanthood because they'd be involved with the MCU, but what are you gonna do?
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 4th 2019 at 4:19:54 AM
Probably for the best.
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They'll retcon it back anyway.
Its inevitable.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Yeah, it was in AXIS, and as of now, the High Evolutionary is the one who created them, with no relation to Magneto. It's also the second time their origin was retconned. I hear on the third time, you get a free sub.
no its the third time, magneto was the 2nd time, the first retcon was ms. america and whizzer being their parents.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch have been retconned from here and back again.
At first, they were mutants and we didn't really know anything about their parents, only that they were Romani (later revealed to be Django and Marya Maximoff). Then, in Giant-Size Avengers #4 (August 1974), it was revealed that their parents were actually Robert Frank (the Whizzer) and Madeline Joyce (Miss America), two Golden Age heroes. But then it was revealed (during Avengers #185) that neither Django nor the Whizzer were her father and finally, during The Vision and Scarlet Witch second mini-series (in 1985), they learn that Magneto is their father.
Of course, Magneto isn't actually their father, either. Their father, it turns out, is someone completely unknown — during AXIS, when Scarlet Witch is turned evil, she casts a blood spell that will cause pain in anyone related to her...and it hurts Quicksilver, but not Magneto. So after that's done, in her own self-titled series, she goes on a quest to fix magic and meets her deceased mother's spirit on the Witches' Road — Natalya Maximoff, sister of Marya Maximoff, and the previous Scarlet Witch (this was written by James Robinson, who loves legacy characters).
Honestly, I'm glad that they kept Wanda and Pietro as Romani and introducing a legacy character aspect to it was pretty interesting. In fact, the retcon to make Magneto their father was pretty silly in the first place — Jim Shooter decided that Magneto must be Quicksilver's father because they both had white hair, but even after it was revealed, nothing really happened. The biggest event that came about because of their connection was House of M.
Ironically, Polaris is still Magneto's daughter even thought that was also a retcon.
I just realized that Wolverine no longer has Hot Claws anymore. Was that just dropped without any fanfare once they realized nobody cared? Or was there an actual reason he lost that power? I know when he used the Hot Claws, his healing factor didn't work as well.
2 retcons (rewritten twice), 3 origins. EDIT: what Alliterator said (so many origins...)
I always hated that Lorna Dane was Magneto's daughter. That retcon came from...the Austen era, I believe? And it was a minor plot plot in Age of Apocalypse that, in that universe, Lorna was hallucinating that Magneto was her father...guess she was just ahead of her time.
I never understood the Hot Claws—maybe it's been explained, but how is this better than ultra-sharp adamantium? I'm guessing writers don't know what to do with that either...
So far, we have two teams of X-Men going on suicide missions. I'm guessing the second half of the two series will be exploring the consequences of those missions.
Edited by flawlessvoid on Sep 4th 2019 at 9:18:04 AM
Honestly, the part that hit me the hardest wasn’t seeing Wanda listed as the “Pretender” next to the number of mutants she depowered, it was seeing “The Avengers” next to her name as if they were the organization aiding and abetting her. Real downer of an issue but I’m really excited to see what Xavier does now. We really haven’t seen him do a whole lot on-panel in this series.
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im guessing what we are seeing now is moira's 10th life and her 11th will actual 616 current version.
If I'm honest, I can't say I particularly cared about the deaths. Most of the characters have already appeared in solicits. Beyond that, Hickman has done jack shit with the characters. He's relying on the audience's existing relationships with the characters to do the emotional heavy lifting, which has always felt like cheap writing to me. So many writers pull that shit, and I've never liked it. Don't rely on other stories to make the audience care about yours.
Beyond that, I'm even more fed up with mutant deaths than Xavier is. The X-office's murder-boner has exhausted me for a long, long time. If Hickman moves the franchise beyond that for a while, great, I'll be glad, but it still leaves me unable to give a shit when he pulls it.
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When has that sort of thing stopped Marvel before?
Honestly, I don't care if the characters are coming back from the death, as long as their deaths felt impactful, which most of them did. I can compartmentalize my knowledge of future issues, so knowing that Cyclops, Wolverine, and Jean are going to be in Hickman's X-Men isn't an issue.
The book is relying on you knowing who these characters are, of course, but that's also par for the course with X-Men books. The Wolverine/Nightcrawler scene is a great scene on its own, but it becomes more meaningful if you know their relationship and how much they care about each other.
The Monet-becoming-Penance thing is weird, but I bet it's something that Hickman is going to explore in his X-Men book. He's already stated that Monet is one of his favorite mutants and having her turn into Penance (when we know that Penance is something very closely associated with the St. Croix family) is a pretty intriguing mystery.
Edited by alliterator on Sep 4th 2019 at 8:20:45 AM
I know Age of Apocalypse Nightcrawler used a sword, but does 616 Kurt use one that often?
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Sometimes. He actually started using it toward the end the Claremont run and later in Excalibur. He still only uses it so often, but it does pop up.
Edited by kkhohoho on Sep 4th 2019 at 10:22:02 AM
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I still say it was stupid to retcon them not being Magneto's kids. This characterization had been in place for decades, so retconning for something so petty is just anal of Marvel. And no them not being his kids just makes them being tossed around again.
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Heh “tossed around”.
Okay that sold me, let’s make them someone else’s kids.
Let’s have a big parental reveal & then every couple of years have it reveled that someone else is the father. If you keep it at a steady rate, nearly every guy in the MU could be the Twins father.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
They refer to Wanda as a Pretender...
Yikes.
Then again Wanda did more harm to mutants than any Sentinel when she was thought to be a mutant, but still...
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