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I'm wondering if Rasputin will make it into the present time. I'd give it low odds, but it's a definite possibility, and I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen.
I mean, she opened up Xorn's singularity, so she's probably dead. But it is a comic book black hole, so she could have been sucked in and then spit out of other Xorn's head sometime else.
...oh, joy. Xorn is well and truly back. I suppose as long as he doesn't pretend to be anyone other than who he is it should be fine.
"Well actually just today I pretended to be Sabretooth pretending to be Nightcrawler pretending to be Magneto pretending to be me."
Actually, both Xorn and his brother Zorn are back. One has a black hole for a head and one has a star for a head. Together, they fight crime! Well, not really. They are mainly nihilistic and fight against their own inevitable extinction, but still.
As long as he isn't pretending to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn, I think we're good.
What's funny is that HOX #1 actually settles the whole Xorn debacle for good in the most hilariously subtle way possible - showing Magneto and both brothers Xorn literally in the same room in a single panel.
One of them even waves at him as he walks by.
Xorn: I am Xorn, my power is I have a star for a head, and I make continuity do loopdeeloops.
Why does Marvel invest so much energy on Xorn? I get the whole retconning and negating Planet X thing. What I don't get is why keep Xorn around and try and make him a character? What's the attraction, for Marvel and for the Xorn-fans which I assume exist in theory? Xorn has a cool design and look by Frank Quitely but that itself isn't enough.
Edited by Revolutionary_Jack on Aug 22nd 2019 at 6:27:54 AM
Because he was in Morrison, and Morrison always sells like hotcakes
They have the Stepford Cuckoos, and Quentin Quire, and Emma Frost being an X-Woman and in bed wit Cyclops, while also her having this secondary mutation thing. There are plenty of active relics of Morrison's legacy aside from Xorn. Albeit not John Sublime for some reason.
Edited by Revolutionary_Jack on Aug 22nd 2019 at 6:52:29 AM
Sublime showed up in Brian Wood's X-Men run. Rachel almost dated him, for some fucking reason.
Millennial Xorn is the best.◊
Superheroes had made worse mistakes when it comes to who they date.
Rachel shouldn't apologize for shit.
Ooooh those are from the recent issues right?
Sublime is literally a sentient genocide virus.
That is a level of its own.
I mean, he is the Horseman of Death.
"What? Germs are hot!" -Rachel Summers
Another thing that just occurred to me is the existence of the U-Men. How would they work with this new status quo? They could potentially get even more horrifying.
"We heard you when you said humanity had new gods. So we decided to sample the organs of our gods to fuel our own ascent."
Edited by NickTheSwing on Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:42:46 AM
Sounds like something out of a JRPG.
I think Xorn keeps on showing up in Marvel because he's supposed to be a sign that someone has a long-term plan and mystery about him and, wow, you'd better keep on buying this book to see what happens!
Too bad Morrison's Xorn was followed by Chuck Austen's (pointless, uninteresting) and Akira Yoshida's in Age of Apocalypse (depressing), really diluting the brand, and ignorant about what was interesting about him in the first place.
I like Hickman's though, especially Xorn's smile at the very end. Truly "amor fati".
Morrison also came up with Fantomex, Weapon Plus, and The World, and the most important character in the Marvel Universe: Glob Herman.
Edited by flawlessvoid on Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:02:26 AM
I have generally never liked Morrison's stuff. I always saw him as the Lesser Star of the British Invasion after Moore and Gaiman, though I guess in a lot of ways he's been more important than both of them in terms of ongoing superhero stories.
But on New X-Men, it was like synergy. You had the right writer on the right team so that the concepts of both matched and enriched each other. His run on New X-Men is his best work on any superhero ongoing including JLA and Superman. Though I do like his Batman run a lot, especially Batman and Son where Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne operate, that was the last time I followed Batman. And while I know Scott Snyder has his fans, I am just not feeling it.
IIRC, the Xorn kerfuffle was simply down to an editor really liking the character (can't recall which one though) and wanting to not only get rid of Magneto's Moral Event Horizon moment, but also keep Xorn around.
I have read parts of his Animal Run including the famous Coyote Gospel issue which is pretty surreal and interesting but on the whole not a big fan. It lacked the special quality that Moore and Gaiman brought to the table.
But I accept that Morrison is one of the greats. He's been immensely influential and Hickman and others are huge fans of his. I just don't thin all of Morrison is for me, and that has to do with me and not him. I feel the same way about Pink Floyd. Yeah they're great and classic but there are bands who I like more. I like his Batman run, the whole Black Glove thing and weird meta-history was pretty cool I thought. And New X-Men was the X-Men run I started with and I followed the entire ongoing.
It always amused me that New X-Men was on the stands at the same time as Ultimate X-Men but Morrison's run felt way more Ultimate Universe and 21st Century than Millar's take which felt at the time and feels even moreso now, as being highly regressive although ultimately both Millar and Morrison had a similar view of Magneto. I wonder if it's some Scottish thing.
I think Hickman is more of a fan of Warren Ellis. He has more of that "hard sci-fi" edge to him.
Hickman has often spoken about Morrison being one of his favorites, and for preferring him over Moore. I think Hickman likes Ellis too. You know, for all that Hickman has a reputation for being cold and unfeeling, I actually feel his stuff has more humanity in it than Ellis' stuff does. But that's just me.
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