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Yeah, I heard about that. All I can say is they're all f%@#'d when Sublime gets back.
As for why Loeb's still there, possibly because of scheduling. I've heard tell that the only reason they keep Land around is because he's the only artist to consistently turn in his "work" on time. Perhaps Loeb's in a similar situation?
edited 23rd Aug '12 9:58:02 PM by HamburgerTime
I would rather wait another month for the next issue of a book than pay for something written by Jeph Loeb.
Better Late Than Loeb! That's my new catchy slogan!
I'd love to see Sublime kill Romulus, preferably giving him a Hannibal Lecture along the lines of "Oh, you thought you were in charge of Weapon X? How droll!" while doing... bacteria things... to kill him. Even better, they could do it in a one-panel flashback, like Claremont's ever-so-ironic fate of Creepy-Molester-Prince-Man from Ms Marvel. It's all Romulus deserves.
edited 23rd Aug '12 10:07:45 PM by HamburgerTime
I've always had mixed feelings on Sublime. I've never been quite sure how I feel about that concept. I think, on the whole, I dislike it.
I love Sublime. He's my favorite X-villain, actually, because he's basically the opposite of what they represent. He's the past, they're the future.
Maybe they could find someone else to write Romulus as a better character. Worked out for Red Hulk, at last.
I instinctively dislike everything Morrison wrote for the X Men. Pure irrational prejudice, doing to being a Magneto fan and his penultimate arc being the first of his arcs I had read. I don' know much of Sublime, though * I haven't read most of Morrison's run. He was the U-Men leader, wasn't him? And I believe he was a weird bacteria or something like that?
edited 23rd Aug '12 10:16:31 PM by Heatth
Sublime is a bacteria, and he was actually behind everything in Morrison's run. That's why the Magneto thing never bugged me, as he was being mind-controlled by Sublime.
Nah, I just don't like Sublime's concept. Morrison did a fantastic job on New X-Men. He had one of the best runs on any X-book. What he did with Magneto was really cool, even if it did turn out to not be Magneto.
I'm just not keen on the idea of a sentient bacteria that's been (surprise!) secretly orchestrating events throughout history. I'm actually just generally not a fan of the whole "secret ancient mastermind who's manipulated events for thousands of years" trope. It doesn't get better by making it something that's manipulated events for millions of years.
Believe it or not, Marvel's actually done that at least three times. First was an old Avengers villain from the '80s called That Which Endures, then came the Harvester and his microscopic probes from X-Man, and then there was Sublime.
edited 23rd Aug '12 10:23:27 PM by HamburgerTime
I know. And there's probably been others. It's always a stupid concept.
I didn't know that last bit at the time I've read the story, though[[hottip:*:hell, I didn't even know Sublime existed then]. It did mostly redeemed Morrison on my eyes, however. My prejudice is still strong, though. An instinctive irrational reaction, even though I actually like the other things of his run I've read. His new characters are awesome too (except that fake French dude).
No, what he did to Magneto is not cool. Not as bad as it would have been, but it is still not cool to reduce a complex character to an unidimensional twat like that.
I don't like the "ancient mastermind" kind of retcon twist either. It is pretty awesome when it is well done and foreshadowed, but, when coming out of blue, it just feel a lazy way to make new character relevant* and, usually, comes out flat due to lack of foundation. Super-hero comics make it worse because they pop out every now and again, which only make you feel everyone is stupid and manipulable.
That make the concept not only stupid but tiresome as well.
edited 23rd Aug '12 10:30:47 PM by Heatth
Ooh! How about we bring back Azazel and have him and Romulus kill each other? Two obnoxiously-omniscient-alleged-heads-of-an-ancient-mutant-bloodline for the price of one!
The Silver Age of comics had way too many vast alien empires that were never defeated and consisted of hundreds or thousands of planets.
Since then, we've had a ridiculous number of old, unknown masterminds manipulating events from behind the scenes and responsible for all sorts of things. There were so many people behind the fall of Rome, World War 2 and the Weapon X project, I'm half-convinced that none of them actually had anything to do with anything, because all their plans conflicted with each other and caused events to progress on their own.
Edit: That would mean acknowledging that The Draco storyline existed. Better to just retcon that whole thing as a minor demon playing a prank on some stupid mortals for shits and giggles.
edited 23rd Aug '12 10:39:47 PM by Tiamatty
There's been like six things that have killed the dinosaurs.
Heh. For the story I'm writing, I've got a chapter coming up with ancient beings who wreaked havoc on the world millions of years ago. When someone asks if they killed the dinosaurs, the guy providing exposition says no, that was an asteroid.
Just to avoid that trope where the threat of the month killed them.
But yeah, that's part of the problem (and charm) with comic books. Every writer wants to make a big, world-changing revelation, even if that revelation's been done before.
Edit: Beside we all know what really happened to the dinosaurs.◊
edited 23rd Aug '12 10:47:24 PM by Tiamatty
This article is pretty cool. It's an exploration of why the X-books had so many Aborted Arcs during the '90s (essentially boiling down to Claremont leaving a creative power vacuum and Byrne, the artist, essentially being given complete creative control).
edited 24th Aug '12 4:11:53 PM by HamburgerTime
Interesting blog. You mean Lee the artist though, Byrne was the second best mainstream writer artist of the 1980's. Weird that he did dialouge only though; considering that it's his main weakpoint. Then again Bob Haras is an idiot.
Oh, yeah, Lee. I read that wrong. There's more articles like that on the site, an it definitely seems like Harras's Marvel was a huge mess (though it was him, NOT Quesada, who saved the company from bankruptcy). From reading the other articles I get the impression that Harras was kind of a dictatorial ass (his butting in where he wasn't welcome was why Claremont left the first time, apparently), and Shooter apparently had his moments, too.
edited 24th Aug '12 5:08:52 PM by HamburgerTime
All the forgotten, mysterious X-Men villains whose plotlines were never resolved should form a Legion of Doom. Elias Bogan, Sean Garrison, Senator Kelly's shifty telepathic aide, Sebastian Shaw's unseen master from the Kelly/Seagle run, the voice on the other end of the phone from the initial Weapon X flashbacks (intended to be Apocalypse, but nothing on-panel confirms that; I guess it could also be Sublime or *sigh* Romulus), the thing that possessed that horrible boy from the Austen run (intended to be Cassandra Nova, but again, no on-panel confirmation), maybe reveal an External or two survived... the Isolationist could lead them because he's the only one that ever came back.
Not sure they could use the Externals. That plotline was killed because the Highlander franchise got annoyed. The only ones who survived were the ones introduced before that plot began - Selene, Apocalypse, Cannonball.
That's actually just a rumor. The real story, from what I can tell, is that the plotline was canned because everyone just wanted to wash their hands of Liefeld.
Am I the only one who thinks that All-New X-Men is a terrible idea? So, the original X-Men are now living in the present day...so what, are the current X-Men going to age faster now? And when does this take place for the old X-Men? And why does the title make no fucking sense? And why did Marvel think this was even a slightly good idea?
I could get behind it as a miniseries, but as an ongoing, as the new status quo? No thank you.
EDIT: Thinking about it, this could take place in between The X-Men #67 and The X-Men #93. See, after issue #67 is when the series became nothing but reprints and issue #93 is when the new team (Wolverine, Storm and such) started appearing. So for 1 and a half years (comic time) there was NO X-Men, maybe it's because they were in the future?
edited 27th Aug '12 4:18:31 AM by TheConductor
The "old" X-Men did make quite a few appearances across the Marvel Universe between #66 and #94 (most of them involving them being beaten up offscreen). And this would have to be set before Beast's furry transformation in Amazing Adventures.
I'm pretty sure the actual point of origin has been stated by Bendis in some interview, and I seem to recall it being a bit earlier (either in the #20s or the #40s, I don't remember which).
The covers we've seen actually make it look kind of interesting to me. For me it'll probably hinge on the dialogue; I've read Bendis dialogue I've both liked and disliked, but when he's bad, he's really bad. I'm thinking this won't last very long once the hype dies down, in any case.
The book will depend on whether we get Ultimate Spider-Man Bendis (great) or Avengers Bendis (not great).
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