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May 16th 2019 at 12:07:01 PM

I believe a rather-tongue-in cheek idea one person said was introduce mutants to the MCU in the next Deadpool movie, where he can just lampshade that the studio just didn't have the rights before, and move on.

alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
May 16th 2019 at 1:44:46 PM

How to introduce mutants to the MCU? I've got an easy answer to that: just do it. Whew, done, can we move on now?

Also, Grigor, spoilers outside of the Endgame spoiler thread? That's a big no no.

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
May 16th 2019 at 1:46:27 PM

Here's how you introduce mutants to the MCU:

Mutants exist!

Boom, done.

To go into more detail, though: You just have some talk about how a bunch of young people have suddenly begun developing powers. There's a handful of mutants who've been around hiding in secret, but it's a small number, and now, the number is suddenly drastically increasing? Why? Who cares, it doesn't matter at all, they just are.

There's no need to make it complicated. No need to tie it into anything from Endgame, or to grab from the Ultimate Universe. Teens just start waking up with purple skin and wings and superstrength and telekinesis and long necks and a whole bunch of eyes.

The origin of mutants is literally the least-interesting thing about mutants. No one gives a shit where mutants come from.

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May 16th 2019 at 1:49:17 PM

Grigori's answer to everything is "More Ultimate Marvel."

I'm in favor of Tiamatty's solution - they exist. Boom - done.

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Aleistar Morning Sun from Glidewing Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
Morning Sun
May 16th 2019 at 1:58:14 PM

[up]x2 [awesome] Thats's what I meant to say. Thank you.

Edited by Aleistar on May 16th 2019 at 4:58:31 AM

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May 16th 2019 at 2:44:51 PM

The problem with "they started appearing just now" is that many important characters have backstories that go back. Xavier can't be a rookie like the random mutant, he must a senior in the mutant thing. Magneto is an holocaust survivor. Wolverine has been roaming the world since at least a century, and Weapon X experimented on him in the past. And Apocalypse... he's from ancient Egypt!

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kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 16th 2019 at 2:48:46 PM

[up]Which is why they said there would still be a small number of mutants operating in secret.

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May 16th 2019 at 3:43:05 PM

Two problems with the "they walk among us" scenario. One, if mutations happen at random, how do you keep the secrecy? Two, why the secrecy? Why stay hidden even during a freakin' alien invasion?

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alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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May 16th 2019 at 3:48:47 PM

Here's how you solve that:

  • People with powers have always existed, they just haven't been called "mutants." In the past, they were much fewer in numbers, but currently, they are increasing.

...Welp, that was easy.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 16th 2019 at 3:49:16 PM

[up][up]Because even a couple hundred mutants isn't enough to stop a good million aliens from invading.

Edited by kkhohoho on May 16th 2019 at 5:49:27 AM

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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
May 16th 2019 at 4:11:24 PM

Introduce them in Eternals. Seriously, I've seen fan theories that the Eternals are there to set up the mutants by having Celestials come down and do create them along with the Eternals and Deviants.

Then you have have mutants always exist throughout human history where they have been worshiped as gods (Apocalypse and Selene), chased off as witches during the Middle Ages, or be in freak shows. It was only a recent phenomenon that they could be heroes and villains

alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
May 16th 2019 at 5:01:15 PM

Also: as for why they didn't help during the Battle of New York...what makes you think they didn't? We thought the wizards didn't help until we saw the Ancient One helping out during Endgame.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
May 16th 2019 at 5:02:34 PM

So Chamber’s dead. At least Rosenberg remember Karma is rich.

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 16th 2019 at 5:09:35 PM

Apparently killing off Rahne wasn't enough. I don't have nearly the same attachment to him as Rahne but I still liked him.

Goddamit.

Edited by kkhohoho on May 16th 2019 at 7:09:48 AM

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RodimusMinor Displeased
Displeased
May 16th 2019 at 5:16:23 PM

I thought his power was that he was an unkillable mass of psionic energy. Poor Jubilee's boyfriends keep dying.

Edited by RodimusMinor on May 16th 2019 at 8:16:32 AM

HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
May 16th 2019 at 5:38:35 PM

How'd he survive the Decimation (No More Mutants), considering most of his face is missing?

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RodimusMinor Displeased
Displeased
May 16th 2019 at 5:40:51 PM

They hooked him up to life support and then Clan Akkaba rebuilt him. He went on to be a dork in New Warriors.

Then Age of X happened and his face blew up again.

HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
May 16th 2019 at 5:45:28 PM

Damn.

Comics, let people move forward. It'd be nice.

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kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
May 16th 2019 at 7:51:11 PM

Here's a thought, if Mutants become the primary population & the new normal would they prefer to shift the name of Mutant to something that can be considered less derogatory?

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May 16th 2019 at 10:19:20 PM

"Filthy Mutie!" You mean?

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
May 16th 2019 at 10:35:14 PM

That & plus Mutant means "a new type of organism produced as a result of mutation."

A mutant is something new & atypical which Mutants are in comparison to the majority of the general humanity.

But what happens once they are no longer new & atypical?

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
IndirectActiveTransport You Give Me Fever from Chicago Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
You Give Me Fever
May 18th 2019 at 12:26:09 PM

I imagine mutants becoming the majority of humanity would fundamentally alter how humanity sees itself. As in the mutants would simply call themselves humans.

Sure, society and social constructs would change, but not in as meaningful ways as I think some people believe, largely because of how random mutant "gifts" are. Hm, you are deep blue, do not seem to age, have remarkable healing, a boosted immune system and change your shape. Your son is peachy and unremarkable. You will probably outlive him and all your other children, but he is healthy. Your daughter is peachy, a dangerous leech your soft living tissues should never come into contact with, but healthy. Your second son is navy blue, has a retractable tail, sticks to walls, teleports and is healthy. Your third son has a blue pronged tongue and epilepsy, sorry about that. Your second son's daughter is also navy blue, also has a retractable tail, also sticks to walls, teleports other objects rather than herself via mind generated daggers and is healthy. That's the closest thing to a mutation carrying over in your genealogy so far. The only constant we've found is that most of your relatives are mutants and an even larger plurality are healthy. Maybe that's a mutation too. Or maybe Reed Richards is finally being useful, improving overall human health or something.

Like, they're be a bigger gap between the gifted and non gifted, but for every obviously beneficial mutation there is a seemingly hindering mutation and a seemingly incidental mutation with no way of prediction what those benefits, hindrances or incidental changes will be. And that's before you get into "secondary mutations". Your daughter's leech effect has become a lot less deadly and your second son has developed night vision, how novel. Humanity would change in that it would get weirder, but society would probably still look a little like what it looks now.

What I'd be interested in is how the rest of the Marvel Universe changes. Because with mutants everywhere on Earth, Rubber-Forehead Aliens would be a lot harder to make convincing and Human Aliens would be right out. We'd have a lot more Transplanted Humans, Humanoid Aliens, Starfish Aliens, Intelligent Gerbils, Mechanical Life Forms and the like. It'd force artists to become more creative but probably not be feasible for the "Cinematic Universe".

Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on May 22nd 2019 at 9:17:22 AM

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
May 22nd 2019 at 10:58:15 AM

Interview with Jonathan Hickman talking about some very intriguing stuff.

I don't know if you've been paying attention to what Tomm Coker and I have been doing over at Image on The Black Monday Murders, but we started experimenting with larger issues at a higher price point. We'd do an issue with 30 pages of comic art and 20-30 pages of data that supports the story and what we found was 1.) it provided a much denser read — there was way more meat on the bone compared to a normal monthly comic, and 2.) because all the data was interspersed throughout the book it had an asymmetrical read that changed the normal monthly comic reading rhythms.

And by that last bit I mean that if you are reading a 20 page comic, you know what's happening on page 19. You've consumed enough pop culture that you're not going to really be surprised when you turn that page. I mean, you might be, but you certainly saw something coming. Doing the books the other way changes all of that. The reader gets lost in the dueling sections. It's really interesting.

Anyway, I bring that up because it's what we're doing with House of X and Powers of X. I know for the first issues of both the solicits say 40 pages / $5.99 but that's incorrect. The books are bigger than that because if we can provide good value, then it increases our odds the book will be judged solely on 'is it good?' And that's a challenge we're eager to undertake.

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When the decision was made that everything was going to wrap before we did House of X and Powers of X, the big question was what to do with the books leading up to July. Leaving the schedule open was never a serious consideration as, you know, Marvel prides themselves on their editors having a job to do and the company actually publishing comics. So, after some back-and-forth, knowing what I had planned, Jordan and the writers put together a mix of very intriguing stories and series, and outside of a few extremely minor things, no one was given story beats to hit, or departure points, and I personally didn't give anyone notes. Both House of X and Powers of X start in a really clean place. So those lead-up books had a very particular mandate, which was basically, ‘just go nuts, swing away, and knock it out of the park.'

Also: neither of the books will be about an alt-universe nor involve time travel.

Also: those preview pages are gorgeous.

Edited by alliterator on May 22nd 2019 at 10:58:25 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
May 24th 2019 at 6:56:42 AM

Finally, in Wolverine: Infinity Watch #4, the Time Variance Authority shows up to put an halt to the time manipulation nonsenses.

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