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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
Double? Isn't that the standard level of hate the mainstream X-Men deal with as well?
Ultimate Secret Wars
I have problems with Ultimate X-Men, but I do kinda like that the mutant issues are front-and-center throughout the whole universe. Mutant extinction arcs have been played out in 616, but I think it worked a little better in Ultimate because the stage was set that way from Day 1.
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Now I can see why I hate modern day X-Men. The mutant hatred is getting just as stupid as the Ultimate X-Men.
Seriously, Ultimate X-Men made me laugh at how stupid the hatred for mutants get. It was as if Emperor Nero suddenly turned into everyone in the United States. I'm even sure mutants were killed on live tv for entertainment.
Then there are the X-Men proper with Cyclops joining the Brotherhood, Storm apparently crippling children deliberately off panel, and ... Peter Parker of Earth-1610 was right.
Well, in Ultimate Marvel Magneto and the Brotherhood are an actual terrorist group. Mutants are a metaphor of racism, so Ultimate X-Men work well as a metaphor of islamophobia. Which was a big thing in the US back in the day.
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The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Well, a) it still is, and in many other places too, and b) even at its highest levels, there weren't any game shows where contestants could legally murder Muslims what the shit?
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If Marvel does an Emma Frost book, and the writer isn't either Leah Williams or Seanan Mc Guire, I will fucking cut a bitch, I swear to god. Williams is the best choice, of course. She did the X-Men Black: Emma Frost one-shot, and it was her idea to make Emma the Black King. Also, Williams has more love for Emma than damned near anyone else on the planet. It would be downright stupid to have anyone else write an Emma Frost book.
So let's watch it go to Ed Brisson or Robbie Thompson or some other dude. "Smart decisions" are seldom the X-office's specialty.
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I mean, Jordan White (X-Men editor) specifically praises Leah's X-Men: Black issue, so I have a feeling that if they do do an Emma Frost book, she will write it.
I mean, I also have the feeling that all of the "Age of X-Man" writers are going to write relaunches of the X-books post-Hickman's Power of X and House of X. But then again, I've been wrong before.
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Gore is still allowable right?
Cause I'm now thinking of a primarily fight-comic for X-23 with really brutal battles & visceral attacks.
Sure I can do the same thing with Wolverine but X-23 lacks the indestructible skeleton that prevents Logan from receiving injuries like an bone shattering or it pointing in a direction it wasn't intended too.
Though X-23 doesn't like to kill so that puts a bit of a hamper on the idea.
Edited by slimcoder on May 13th 2019 at 11:02:55 AM
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I'd read an ultra-violent X-23 comic. Don't forget, she's even deadlier than Logan. The toe claw gives her an extra method of attack, and her smaller size and greater flexibility honestly makes for way cooler fight scenes.
The Head of the Hydra
It be all about epic challenges, insane depth-defying battles with varied opponents, & it gives you a good excuse to add in martial arts.
Broken bones, mangled organs, surprise attacks, overcoming challenges despite being heavily disabled like your eyes got stabbed or your ears got torn off.
I'm also thinking X-23 vs Wolverine, both parties going all out in the most badass brutal father vs daughter battle ever, ending with X-23 winning & sharing an epic father/daughter hand-clasp with Wolvie.
Edited by slimcoder on May 13th 2019 at 11:49:33 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Oh.
Oh shit.
Oh shit shit shit shit. Oh no yes this is an awesome idea.
Logan falls under some villain's control. He takes down everyone who goes after him. No one can stop him. And then.
- SNIKT*
And just the most fucking insane and brutal fight you can imagine. Wolverine vs. Wolverine. Two unstoppable murder machines tearing each other up for an entire issue.
It would be awesome.
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Counting "House of M" the current Uncanny run is marvel's third stab at the mutant extinction storyline hopefully it will follow the pattern of being them getting progressively shorter.
Edited by Gallowglass on May 14th 2019 at 1:25:23 AM
I don't know if I would count the current Uncanny run as an extinction storyline — for one thing, even though Cyclops and the others thing the X-Men are all dead, the audience knows that they are very much alive, but in an alternate reality. Second, this "mutant vaccine" thing is pretty much the same as the "mutant cure" from Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and that went nowhere and this appears to be going nowhere, too.
Slimcoder, remember that unless you get an actual job at Marvel, the only way your idea can see the light is as a fanfiction. And those are made with just text, gore and epic battles just don't translate well.
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Now, we’re already in production on all of these ‘Wave 1’ books and our plan at this moment is to introduce the titles, creative teams, and publishing details around SDCC, which is a week before HOX #1 goes on sale.
We also just finished our plans for our ‘Wave 2’ books that will debut in 2020 and we’re getting ready to hire talent for those.
It’s pretty exciting, and this kind of long-term planning is one of the benefits of knowing what direction you’re headed for the next few years.
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The X-books haven't been too hot lately so I am all for a Hickman-lead relaunch.
Give us something as off the wall as X-Statix again.
Oh fuck, I think I love Jonathan Hickman.
JH: If by 'sci-fi elements' you mean some basic evolutionary biology, a little genetic homogeny, a lot of contact linguistics or, you know, how mutants bend the Kardashev scale, then sure. We'll be doing all that stuff.
As to the other, I'm not sure how you get away from doing metaphor when you're writing X-books. I suppose that, narratively, the problem nowadays is interpretation. Are we talking about a stand-in for marginalized groups, or the metaphor simply being a substitution of the word 'different' for 'special', or is the real modern complication atomization? Where everything is segmented to such a degree that there are no stories which mean something to everyone. Where the psychological expectation is something catered, or personalized.
I suspect that last bit also has a lot to do with why we've been in a nostalgic feedback loop for quite a while. Where everyone is telling X-Men stories about other X-Men stories.
With all that in mind, I think I have a pretty good idea of how to move all of this forward. Hopefully I'll get it right.
Edited by alliterator on May 14th 2019 at 10:19:46 AM
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Damn Marvel going scorched Earth on the X Men.
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You're thinking of Ultimate Mojo, which in this version was the leader of a small nation that executed its mutant criminals Running Man style.
I actually quite liked that story, as A) it was written by Brian K Vaughn, who as far as I'm concerned can do no wrong, and B) it had the twist that the mutant criminal the X-Men swooped in to save — assuming he was brought in on trumped up charges — was actually a human-hating murderous bigot who was 100 percent guilty of the crimes he was accused of.
Professional Complainer
I'm so glad we've moved on from Ultimate style "realistic" interpretations of classic comic characters.
Mojo should always be a big tub of goo running a TV dimension.
About that, is Mojo appearing in the swimsuit special?
Professional Complainer
Are you still on about that?
Speaking of the Ultimate X-Men comics: I remember the first few issues of UXM doubled down on the mutant hate to downright cartoonish levels — like, the issue opens with government-created Sentinels descending down from the sky to murder the fuck out of this one kid, and the public responds with "Thank God those three-story-tall giant robots got that Mutie — and all it cost was a city block!"
Edited by drac0blade on May 13th 2019 at 2:50:27 AM