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May 13th 2019 at 2:43:00 PM

Speaking of the Ultimate X-Men comics: I remember the first few issues of UXM doubled down on the mutant hate to downright cartoonish levels — like, the issue opens with government-created Sentinels descending down from the sky to murder the fuck out of this one kid, and the public responds with "Thank God those three-story-tall giant robots got that Mutie — and all it cost was a city block!"

Edited by drac0blade on May 13th 2019 at 2:50:27 AM

May 13th 2019 at 4:09:33 PM

Double? Isn't that the standard level of hate the mainstream X-Men deal with as well?

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May 13th 2019 at 4:57:33 PM

I have problems with Ultimate X-Men, but I do kinda like that the mutant issues are front-and-center throughout the whole universe. Mutant extinction arcs have been played out in 616, but I think it worked a little better in Ultimate because the stage was set that way from Day 1.

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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
May 13th 2019 at 5:40:20 PM

Now I can see why I hate modern day X-Men. The mutant hatred is getting just as stupid as the Ultimate X-Men.

Seriously, Ultimate X-Men made me laugh at how stupid the hatred for mutants get. It was as if Emperor Nero suddenly turned into everyone in the United States. I'm even sure mutants were killed on live tv for entertainment.

Then there are the X-Men proper with Cyclops joining the Brotherhood, Storm apparently crippling children deliberately off panel, and ... Peter Parker of Earth-1610 was right.

May 13th 2019 at 6:27:01 PM

Well, in Ultimate Marvel Magneto and the Brotherhood are an actual terrorist group. Mutants are a metaphor of racism, so Ultimate X-Men work well as a metaphor of islamophobia. Which was a big thing in the US back in the day.

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May 13th 2019 at 6:34:24 PM

Well, a) it still is, and in many other places too, and b) even at its highest levels, there weren't any game shows where contestants could legally murder Muslims what the shit?

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
May 13th 2019 at 9:11:51 PM

If Marvel does an Emma Frost book, and the writer isn't either Leah Williams or Seanan Mc Guire, I will fucking cut a bitch, I swear to god. Williams is the best choice, of course. She did the X-Men Black: Emma Frost one-shot, and it was her idea to make Emma the Black King. Also, Williams has more love for Emma than damned near anyone else on the planet. It would be downright stupid to have anyone else write an Emma Frost book.

So let's watch it go to Ed Brisson or Robbie Thompson or some other dude. "Smart decisions" are seldom the X-office's specialty.

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May 13th 2019 at 10:50:54 PM

I mean, Jordan White (X-Men editor) specifically praises Leah's X-Men: Black issue, so I have a feeling that if they do do an Emma Frost book, she will write it.

I mean, I also have the feeling that all of the "Age of X-Man" writers are going to write relaunches of the X-books post-Hickman's Power of X and House of X. But then again, I've been wrong before.

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
May 13th 2019 at 11:02:04 PM

Gore is still allowable right?

Cause I'm now thinking of a primarily fight-comic for X-23 with really brutal battles & visceral attacks.

Sure I can do the same thing with Wolverine but X-23 lacks the indestructible skeleton that prevents Logan from receiving injuries like an bone shattering or it pointing in a direction it wasn't intended too.

Though X-23 doesn't like to kill so that puts a bit of a hamper on the idea.

Edited by slimcoder on May 13th 2019 at 11:02:55 AM

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May 13th 2019 at 11:37:00 PM

[up] I'd read an ultra-violent X-23 comic. Don't forget, she's even deadlier than Logan. The toe claw gives her an extra method of attack, and her smaller size and greater flexibility honestly makes for way cooler fight scenes.

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
May 13th 2019 at 11:48:02 PM

It be all about epic challenges, insane depth-defying battles with varied opponents, & it gives you a good excuse to add in martial arts.

Broken bones, mangled organs, surprise attacks, overcoming challenges despite being heavily disabled like your eyes got stabbed or your ears got torn off.

I'm also thinking X-23 vs Wolverine, both parties going all out in the most badass brutal father vs daughter battle ever, ending with X-23 winning & sharing an epic father/daughter hand-clasp with Wolvie.

Edited by slimcoder on May 13th 2019 at 11:49:33 AM

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
May 14th 2019 at 12:33:57 AM

Oh.

Oh shit.

Oh shit shit shit shit. Oh no yes this is an awesome idea.

Logan falls under some villain's control. He takes down everyone who goes after him. No one can stop him. And then.

  • SNIKT*

And just the most fucking insane and brutal fight you can imagine. Wolverine vs. Wolverine. Two unstoppable murder machines tearing each other up for an entire issue.

It would be awesome.

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Gallowglass Good Luck Comander from San Diego
Good Luck Comander
May 14th 2019 at 1:24:26 AM

Counting "House of M" the current Uncanny run is marvel's third stab at the mutant extinction storyline hopefully it will follow the pattern of being them getting progressively shorter.

Edited by Gallowglass on May 14th 2019 at 1:25:23 AM

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May 14th 2019 at 1:36:55 AM

I don't know if I would count the current Uncanny run as an extinction storyline — for one thing, even though Cyclops and the others thing the X-Men are all dead, the audience knows that they are very much alive, but in an alternate reality. Second, this "mutant vaccine" thing is pretty much the same as the "mutant cure" from Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and that went nowhere and this appears to be going nowhere, too.

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May 14th 2019 at 2:58:47 AM

Slimcoder, remember that unless you get an actual job at Marvel, the only way your idea can see the light is as a fanfiction. And those are made with just text, gore and epic battles just don't translate well.

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May 14th 2019 at 9:47:41 AM

I fucking knew it.

At the conclusion of our 12 weeks of HOX and POX, we’ll be launching an entire new universe of X-books. Some will be traditional fare, some carry through on ideas presented in HOX and POX. Some books are completely new concepts. I, personally, will be writing the ongoing flagship X-book.

Now, we’re already in production on all of these ‘Wave 1’ books and our plan at this moment is to introduce the titles, creative teams, and publishing details around SDCC, which is a week before HOX #1 goes on sale.

We also just finished our plans for our ‘Wave 2’ books that will debut in 2020 and we’re getting ready to hire talent for those.

It’s pretty exciting, and this kind of long-term planning is one of the benefits of knowing what direction you’re headed for the next few years.

Give me books by Leah Williams, Seanan McGuire, Vita Ayala, and Tim Seeley, please!

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
May 14th 2019 at 9:53:01 AM

The X-books haven't been too hot lately so I am all for a Hickman-lead relaunch.

Give us something as off the wall as X-Statix again.

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May 14th 2019 at 10:19:40 AM

Oh fuck, I think I love Jonathan Hickman.

How prominent is the mutant metaphor in your take on the X-Men? Is that something you’re leaning into, or are you leaning more towards to sci-fi elements of the X-Men’s mythology?

JH: If by 'sci-fi elements' you mean some basic evolutionary biology, a little genetic homogeny, a lot of contact linguistics or, you know, how mutants bend the Kardashev scale, then sure. We'll be doing all that stuff.

As to the other, I'm not sure how you get away from doing metaphor when you're writing X-books. I suppose that, narratively, the problem nowadays is interpretation. Are we talking about a stand-in for marginalized groups, or the metaphor simply being a substitution of the word 'different' for 'special', or is the real modern complication atomization? Where everything is segmented to such a degree that there are no stories which mean something to everyone. Where the psychological expectation is something catered, or personalized.

I suspect that last bit also has a lot to do with why we've been in a nostalgic feedback loop for quite a while. Where everyone is telling X-Men stories about other X-Men stories.

With all that in mind, I think I have a pretty good idea of how to move all of this forward. Hopefully I'll get it right.

Edited by alliterator on May 14th 2019 at 10:19:46 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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May 14th 2019 at 10:21:58 AM

[up]Cautiously optimistic.

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May 14th 2019 at 11:15:55 AM

A thinking mutant's crumpet

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May 14th 2019 at 11:19:19 AM

Damn Marvel going scorched Earth on the X Men.

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May 14th 2019 at 11:50:53 AM

I'm even sure mutants were killed on live tv for entertainment.

You're thinking of Ultimate Mojo, which in this version was the leader of a small nation that executed its mutant criminals Running Man style.

I actually quite liked that story, as A) it was written by Brian K Vaughn, who as far as I'm concerned can do no wrong, and B) it had the twist that the mutant criminal the X-Men swooped in to save — assuming he was brought in on trumped up charges — was actually a human-hating murderous bigot who was 100 percent guilty of the crimes he was accused of.

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
May 14th 2019 at 12:04:58 PM

I'm so glad we've moved on from Ultimate style "realistic" interpretations of classic comic characters.

Mojo should always be a big tub of goo running a TV dimension.

May 14th 2019 at 1:03:22 PM

[up]About that, is Mojo appearing in the swimsuit special?

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
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May 14th 2019 at 1:18:18 PM

Are you still on about that?


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