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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 18th 2019 at 6:38:05 PM

Hopefully not, since it's Hickman writing it and his stuff tends to be more...esoteric.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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Apr 18th 2019 at 6:45:18 PM

The mutants going around in weird adventures would be a good change of pace.

slimcoder Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Apr 18th 2019 at 7:03:58 PM

Iím still on the Mutant baseball scandal idea.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
Apr 18th 2019 at 10:10:02 PM

If Rosenberg's off UXM, put Leah Williams on it instead. You want a return to what made the X-Men great? Leah's the one to do that. Because she would write the soap opera it's supposed to be.

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 22nd 2019 at 12:38:07 AM

Okay, I caught up with Uncanny X-Men and...I'm with, like, 50% of the story. But then there's the other 50% that's just bizarre. It's like Rosenberg wanted to tell this long, epic story, but was told "No, you have to fit it all in ten issues" so he just...condensed the whole thing down.

Things that make no sense:

  • Dark Beast shows up, declares that technology is better than biology, gets captured, and...then works for the X-Men. And for some reason, cures Dani, Wolfsbane, and Karma of the Transmode virus. (At least that cure part made sense, although why he would do it at all didn't.)
  • Hope suddenly becomes a terrorist, shoots Cyclop's eye out, and then the very next issue gets forgiven for assassinating a senator and shooting Cyclops in the eye and becomes a member of the X-Men. Like...what? 1: I might be able to believe she became a terrorist if we had a bit more backstory on what happened to her after Cable died, but we don't. It's just "You guys didn't protect Cable, therefore I reformed the MLF." 2: And then she suddenly switches to the X-Men's side after they capture her? Why?
  • Chamber just leaves Shogo (a toddler) with Callisto. Like, that's Jubilee's son. And you left him with Callisto. Because...he would be better off with her? How?
  • Why are they still hanging out at Harry's Hideaway? Isn't there any bases that are, you know, safer? Hell, they have Magik, they can teleport anywhere, just find a new base.

Things I actually like:

  • I like Cyclops' characterization in the later issues — especially his speech to Alex and then to the team about them not needing to have a leader anymore. Making the X-Men into a democracy is certainly interesting, although, I mean, you still kind of need a field leader, so someone is always making the decisions during battle.
  • I like Captain America's role. He's trying to help, he's just not trusted, but he does give good advice.
  • I like Juggernaut wanting to be an X-Man again. Cain wanting to do some good in the world is always a Cain I enjoy, even though it makes no sense with his previous actions (you know, just in the recent X-Men: Black, or did Rosenberg not actually read that?).
  • Well, if Rosenberg's going to kill anyone, at least he's bringing back characters that haven't appeared in decades — like fucking Joseph.

Oh and:

  • I fucking hate the artwork. If Rahne Sinclair looks like Jean Grey you have messed up with the artwork.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 12:40:05 PM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:39:14 AM

Yeah, it's way too rushed. That "all sins forgiven" thing is clearly a result of that, and it just ends up resulting in any actual character tension being tossed right out the window, aside from Scott and Alex. As I've said, it's just stupid that Rosenberg clearly expects us to completely forget that Karma used Illyana as a murder weapon. No one on the team should trust her, but rather than get some compelling drama out of all that shit, we instead got Joseph being completely out of character. ('90s Joseph's whole point was, "I am not Magneto, I am the hero he never was." Rosenberg's take was, "I'm Magneto, the anti-villain he always was." The actual opposite of the character's entire reason for existing. Great fucking writing there.) But hey, at least he got decapitated, so we don't have to get any exploration of why he felt he needed to take that role, or what kind of inner struggle he has with it. Can you imagine if Uncanny X-Men actually tried to explore the mental states of the characters? I mean, who wants an X-Men comic that reads like a soap opera?

Bu yeah, it's so rushed that damned near any interesting things it could do, it can't, because it doesn't have the room, because it's more interested in trying to convince people Cyclops was wrong (even though everyone knows Cyclops Was Right) and that it is impossible for mutant rights to ever make any progress and that the only future any mutant has to look forward to is being brutally murdered.

Thanks, Matt, I hate it.

Fuck, I hope the X-Men office has the sense to put Leah Williams on Uncanny X-Men after whatever bullshit Hickman's doing.

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Apr 22nd 2019 at 4:12:00 AM

I would say writing X-men as a soap opera is exactly the problem. Soap operas aren't really known for clever writing or nuanced exploration of people's mental states.

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First Of Her Name
Apr 22nd 2019 at 4:47:57 AM

It is too much of the same things. There has to be something new done with this book.

You either play or die...
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 22nd 2019 at 5:04:23 AM

[up][up]Except that's what X-Men's known for. Beyond the whole metaphor aspect (though even that's questionable), that's what people love about it. Love or hate it, Soap Opera is at the core of its' being.

Edited by kkhohoho on Apr 22nd 2019 at 7:04:39 AM

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:14:32 AM

See, I don't mind that Cyclops blames himself or that he believes what he did was wrong. Because that's entirely in character — Scott Summers might as well be wearing a hair shirt for all the self-loathing he has.

I also don't mind that Joseph suddenly went evil, because the last time we saw him was, what, twenty years ago? Sure, I could have used a bit more backstory on how and why, but since I don't really give a crap about the character, his appearance (and subsequent death) don't really bother me. Well, aside from the fact that he just seems to come out of nowhere, but that's a pacing issue.

But now that I'm caught up on "Age of X-Man," too, I can see that, holy crap, that crossover is asking a lot better questions and pacing things better and doing better characterization. And I know it's probably because the writers got a lot more leeway on what they wanted to write (I listened to the Jay and Miles Podcast with Leah Williams, Vita Ayala, and Seanan McGuire and apparently, Marvel just said "This is the premise of the crossover, here is the book we want you to write, go nuts."), but...if a four-issue tie-in mini-series is doing better than Uncanny X-Men, then damn.

As for "Age of X-Man," I am loving Nextgen, X-Tremists, and Prisoner X. The ending to X-Tremists #2 was just...damn. I never knew that I could ship Psylocke and Blob and yet somehow in the context of this, it works.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Apr 22nd 2019 at 9:22:32 AM

I'm reading some older X-Men comics right now and it's bizarre to see a Wolverine who tries to deescalate conflict and talk about how he wants to be better instead of just stabbing ninjas and proclaiming he's the best there is at what he does.

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Return of the Gangsta Bear!
Apr 22nd 2019 at 10:21:04 AM

Yeah. Logan was a massive victim of '90s Anti-Hero.

I still fondly remember one comic during the Phoenix Saga where he deliberately helped Colossus regain some lost confidence by entering the danger room scenario the latter was engaged in (two walls threatening to crush him) and forcing the latter to get himself together so that they both weren't crushed.

I'm probably not describing it well, but Logan at some point was more than Mr. Snkt. That got lost somehow.

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slimcoder Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Apr 22nd 2019 at 10:27:45 AM

So the guy once had a soft-side?

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 22nd 2019 at 10:30:53 AM

[up]Pretty much. Wolverine was more like an honorable samuari. Gruff and fierce, but still looked out for his friends and tried to be a decent human being.

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slimcoder Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Apr 22nd 2019 at 10:55:47 AM

I think Evolution Logan is like that.

Apr 22nd 2019 at 11:00:01 AM

While he is rightly criticised as a spotlight hog, movie Logan isn't a terrible guy either.

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 22nd 2019 at 11:15:28 AM

I mean, in the hands of a good writer, Logan is a good character.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
HandsomeRob Return of the Gangsta Bear! from Moopet Theatre Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Return of the Gangsta Bear!
Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:42:09 PM

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He is a massive dick to Cyclops though, often needlessly.

Those movies didn't do old Slim any favours in the long run. Say what you will about Apocalypse, but at least it didn't shit on him like the first three did.

And I like X1 and 2.

Once again, wokka wokka!
Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:30:26 PM

In fairness, Logan's only really a jerk to Scott in the first film. He even offers words of comfort to Scott over Jean's death in 2 and 3.

That said, yeah the movies didn't do Scott much good.

Edited by windleopard on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:31:08 AM

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:47:36 PM

You know what would be amazing? If Captain America invited Cyclops to join the Avengers. Because, like, that's some good publicity right there for Scott / mutants and the Avengers would gain another good tactician. Heck, Wolverine was already an Avenger, so making Scott one just makes sense.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:53:24 PM

[up]If anyone deserves to join the Avengers, it's Cyclops. Actually wouldn't be a bad fit.

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Apr 22nd 2019 at 9:04:48 PM

I genuinely can't imagine Cyclops in any context other than being the leader of the X-Men. It's so ingrained into his identity.

HandsomeRob Return of the Gangsta Bear! from Moopet Theatre Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Return of the Gangsta Bear!
Apr 22nd 2019 at 9:31:37 PM

It would be an interesting move for him.

Slim is supposed to be a high level tactician as well.

That being said, it is true the his identity as the leader of the Men is very strong. Scott is a leader. I'm not sure if he knows how to march to someone else's drumbeat.

Then again, he was a member of the New Champions (or rather his time shifted Teenage self, and in that case, he deliberately opted out of being the leader. So maybe he might be willing to try something new.

Once again, wokka wokka!
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
Apr 22nd 2019 at 9:43:49 PM

[up][up] Which is actually part of why I'd be interested in seeing him join the Avengers. Let us see him in other contexts. And let him find himself in other contexts. And then have Storm take over again as leader of the X-Men, with Jean in charge of the school (with actual, qualified teachers there). And then maybe Rogue and Gambit heading up a West Coast branch of the school. Kitty can run for Congress to represent Chicago.

Also, let Betsy and Fred continue to date after Age of X-Man ends. Let us keep this sweet dorky Blob.

Edited by Tiamatty on Apr 22nd 2019 at 12:44:15 PM

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 22nd 2019 at 9:57:29 PM

And then maybe Rogue and Gambit heading up a West Coast branch of the school.
Ooh, West Coast X-Men? Written by Kelly Thompson, yes? With an occasional crossover with, let's say, the West Coast Avengers? Yes, yes, all of that, yes.

Actually, I can't believe they haven't done a West Coast X-Men yet.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl

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