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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
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Circles are the perfect shape for arguments.
They never end.
In regards to the video game idea...someone has to say Xmen...welcome to DIE!
....I actually don't know where that's from.
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I wonder how the X-Men adaptations would've turned out if Pryde of the X-Men took off.
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Well, the movies probably would've had an Australian playing Wolverine, maybe someone like Hugh Jackman, wouldn't that have been crazy?
That, or they would've cast a Canadian actor who put on an Australian accent.
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Hindus upset over the new comic.
Um, they do realize that what X-Man is trying to do is shown in a negative light, right? We aren't supposed to be agreeing with him — and he's the one who called it a "fake house of worship." (Also: didn't other houses of worship disappear, too?)
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IIRC this guy is a notorious fundie, though I may have confused him with someone with a similar name.
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I really hope they don't ignore the ending to X-Men: Red — the part where Cassandra Nova is given empathy is so great, she shouldn't really be a villain anymore.
It's cool that Karma will be in UXM, but I still refuse to forgive Rosenberg for what he did to Karma in New Mutants: Dead Souls.
He took a story that should have been about her, and kept her almost entirely out of it. Her only real role in her own story was a few pages in the final issue, where she did some full-on supervillain shit. She murdered her own brother in order to re-absorb his soul, not to save lives, but because she wanted to. And she did it by mind-controlling her friend into committing the murder. A friend with a traumatic past involving people trying to control her and force her to commit terrible acts.
I will never stop being angry about it. Tran's return should have been all about Karma. He's her brother. She's the one who originally killed him, in order to save lives. The idea that he's been subtly influencing and changing her over the years? That was a natural story hook, one we didn't get to actually see, because Rosenberg instead just said he'd been influencing her. We could've had a story where Karma - whose power is terrifying and intrusive - starts to realize it's been getting used on her, letting the full horror of what her power does sink in on her. But nope, gloss it all over. And a story where Karma, free of Tran's influence, feels incomplete, feels like she isn't herself, and is desperate to get him back? That'd be some fascinating shit. But, again, glossed over in a few lines of dialogue. Which ends, not with her managing, through force of will, to start down the road to recovery, but with her forcing her friend to commit a fucking murder so she can get another hit.
So, yeah, I will never forgive Rosenberg for it. Dead Souls was a well-told story, but it wasn't the story it should have been, and it actively prevents the story we should have gotten from actually being told.
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So this is the new lineup for Cyclops and Wolverine's team. (I'm guessing this is just for Age of X-Man, post-Age of X-Man, Jean might be leading a different team.) Cyclops. Wolverine. Mirage. Magik. Havok. Multiple Man. Karma. Banshee. Wolfsbane. Hope.
First thought: hey, the Summers brothers! And their granddaughter/grandniece!
Second thought: hey, wait, I see both Havok and Banshee from Rosenberg's Astonishing run, as well as Multiple Man from Rosenberg's Multiple Man mini-series, and Mirage, Magik, Wolfsbane, and Karma from Rosenberg's New Mutants mini. Have all of Rosenberg's mini-series been leading to this team? Or is he just using his favorite characters?
Third thought: ten characters, five male, five female, that's interesting. Only two people of color (Mirage and Karma), though.
Fourth thought: wait, Mirage still doesn't have any mutant powers, only Valkyrie powers. Eh, still a badass. Her codename doesn't make any sense anymore, though.
Fifth thought: can we please have Multiple Man check in with his wife and child, please? I know he doesn't remember them because he came from before, but I would still like assurances they are okay.
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I don’t think Matthew Roseburg has written anything truly remarkable, just a cursory look at his bibliography, it looks like he’s So Okay, It's Average. Nothing about this new team excites me, and neither does the new alt universe stuff.
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is absolutely amazing and probably his best book.
I'm not sure what in the article is supposed to contradict anything I said in my post. Dead Souls was still a mini that took a Karma story and told it in a way that minimized her role in it. And she still mind-controlled her friend into killing her brother so she could absorb his soul, which is some fucked-up supervillain shit to do.
It's kinda hard to be excited that the guy who did that is also the one who's going to be doing her (presumed) redemption story. Especially considering she's one character among 10, two of the others are the most over-hyped characters in the entire franchise, and at least two others have their own character arcs that Rosenberg is already in the middle of. So yippee, Karma will get a couple panels every couple months to say she feels bad about what happened.
Rosenberg's a good writer. But he pissed me all the way off with his handling of Karma in Dead Souls, and I don't trust him with her in UXM, and it'll take A LOT for me to be convinced in regards to anything he does with her.
Edit: And on a totally unrelated note to that, I wonder if Rosenberg will be the one to finally have Illyana come out as a lesbian. Everyone knows she's a lesbian, so let her be a lesbian, Marvel.
Edited by Tiamatty on Dec 18th 2018 at 12:28:45 PM
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no because knowing karma's karma she will come out and immediately have kitty come out as bi and they hook up right in front of karma. on her birthday.
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It was for the post about Nova.
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So Cyclops and Logan leading a team together?
Perhaps symbolic of them recognizing that their previous pissing contest did far more harm to mutants than any enemy ever has.
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they had already more or less made up before logan died because he knew he was dying and scott was one of his oldest friends and he didnt want them to die with bad blood between them
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Huh. That's rather cool of Logan.
I mean, he's still an overhyped asshole, but that's why those moments where people remember he's a bit more than that are so important.
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Edited by alliterator on Dec 18th 2018 at 10:01:34 AM
Ah, OK, gotcha.
Yeah, Bendis said he was uncomfortable getting into anything sexual with Illyana because he had no idea what age she was. As far as ace Illyana goes, meh, much as I want more ace rep in comics, I think Illyana's arc in the original New Mutants was all about a closeted lesbian trying to hide it by pretending to be normal. Like, her whole thing was about being "wicked" and "sinful." Aceys are seen as weird and broken by people who don't understand that People Are Different, but they're not seen as sinful. Early New Mutants Rahne, for example, would've been totally OK with an asexual, but a lesbian? Her fundamentalist upbringing would've been aghast at that.
There's also a history of witchcraft being associated with lesbianism. And the current association of lesbians with swords. Sword Lesbians are a thing, it's not Sword Asexuals. Asexuals get morningstars, they're Macesexuals.
So, yeah, Illyana's a lesbian.
Now Jubilee is asexual. At least in my headcanon. Biromantic asexual. And probably polyromantic, too.
I HAVE OPINIONS on the romantic and sexual lives of the X-Men! (Rogue and Gambit are heavy into kink, are both bi, and a few years into their marriage, will start engaging in swinging.)
Edited by Tiamatty on Dec 18th 2018 at 1:12:49 PM
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That sounds about right for Gambit and Rogue. I could definitely see Gambit as bi, though I know they won't go there. I feel that he we need more bi/pan males in the MU, Shatterstar can't carry the whole weight.
I really liked Remender's idea of pushing mutant acceptance by having prominent businesspeople make mutant-focused product lines, like Janet Van Dyne's fashion company.
Shame Rick was less interested in this and more is having his protagonists argue in circles.
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