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This thread's for all of the X-Men comics and spin-offs (X-Force, X-Factor, New Mutants etc.), whether they're decades old or brand new.

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    Original OP 
Okay, it seems to me that the thread on "X-Men: Schism" has run its course, and since everyone seems to be commenting on how the conversation is talking about general parts of the franchise, I guess I should start a thread talking about all that.

I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.

One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.

All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#301: Mar 5th 2013 at 8:50:38 PM

In the Ultimate Universe, his hair turned blue because they had to give him kangaroo and gorilla organs after he almost died. He got all blue and furry after Weapon X messed with him, but he never looked like a cat, which is sad, because Lion!Beast is the best beast.

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MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#302: Mar 5th 2013 at 8:53:58 PM

I kinda wish the X-Men dressed more uniformly. With the Avengers, it’s kinda okay since they’re a motley crew of A to B-Level superheroes who work on their own turf and have their own villains, but with the X-Men they’re all for mutants/mutants rights and I wish their outfits were just a bit more consistent with each other. I mean, Karma and Kitty Pryde are still rocking their student gear really.

FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#303: Mar 5th 2013 at 9:29:44 PM

One more quick question before I go to bed. The Marvel's X-Men video game for the NES, which was pretty poorly received, had the same lineup as Pryde of the X-Men except they replaced Dazzler with Iceman. Anyone know why? Did they not have the rights to Dazzler or something?

C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#304: Mar 6th 2013 at 6:03:34 AM

With the exception of Dazzler the cartoon lineup was comprised of the most popular X-Men of all time, at the time it was made. Dazzler's inclusion in the cartoon was mainly because she was appearing in Uncanny X-Men at the time. By the time the game was made she might already have left, if not she would still have been the least popular character in the game. It's also possible the game devolpers didn't like her powerset.

As for Iceman; he was a long standing Marvel character who was then appearing in X-Factor and had also already regularly appeared in a Spider-Man cartoon. Also for some reason Iceman is a popular character to put in video games, he's probably appeared in more than Cyclops.

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FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#305: Mar 6th 2013 at 7:05:30 AM

Maybe it's because Iceman is easier to animate? I mean you don't need to animate clothing or anything.

gregyo Since: Jan, 2001
#306: Mar 6th 2013 at 10:15:23 AM

Well, looks like Jean Grey is a psycho.

Let's keep Bendis on the X-books forever. This issue was so good.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#307: Mar 6th 2013 at 12:16:21 PM

[up] It's incredibly retroactively hilarious how negative the reaction was when he was announced for the X-books. Nearly everyone thought he'd do something horrible. What that was wasn't exactly well-defined, but I guess there was a fear he'd ignore Gillen as he (apparently) ignored the previous writer on Avengers.

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#308: Mar 6th 2013 at 2:42:19 PM

Caps face when meeting Young!Scott was hilarious.

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#309: Mar 7th 2013 at 5:33:49 AM

[up][up]Weeeeeell... he kinda' did. Not just the previous writer, but most of the writers in the entire history of Avengers up to that point. He killed off Scarlet Witch, Vision, Hawkeye and even Ant-Man, (Scott Lang,) and completely ignored the fact that Wanda (SW,) did remember her children, and never went crazy over it before, just to get the story he wanted. His subsequent run on the series then went on to not really rely on past Avenger's stories and — up until Mighty Avengers — not many past Avengers members either, though whether or not that's a bad thing is up to the reader. Kurt Buseik's run was the exact opposite, relying so much on past stories and members that it bordered on Continuity Porn. (The run was still great though.) Whereas with Bendis, you don't feel like you're missing out on much, exactly because he doesn't rely nearly as much on past Avengers comics, but it makes the experience feel kind of hollow and not very respectful of the classic Avengers as a result.

edited 7th Mar '13 11:59:36 AM by kkhohoho

gregyo Since: Jan, 2001
#310: Mar 7th 2013 at 7:35:57 AM

I think it's clear to most that Bendis's run on Avengers was...underwhelming. But that's over, and Hickman is doing good things.

Bendis has clearly decided to bring his A-game to the X-books, and I'm loving it.

WorldTurtle Since: Jan, 2011
#311: Mar 7th 2013 at 9:48:32 PM

Question for a fic (and because I either can't find the issues in a store or I can't afford to buy them right now online): what are the ways to defeat Unus the Untouchable in a fight? (Other then his powers going beyond his ability to control)

gregyo Since: Jan, 2001
#312: Mar 8th 2013 at 4:08:43 PM

So, I just picked up Deadly Genesis, and DAMN. That is a fucked up story. WTF, Charles?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#313: Mar 8th 2013 at 5:27:24 PM

[up] My recommendation? Wash that down with the first part of Carey's Legacy, which is all about Charles and how he Must Make Amends.

FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#314: Mar 13th 2013 at 7:07:45 AM

Hey, can anyone reccomend me some fan fics? I looked on the reccomendation page on X-Men here and some of the stuff was pretty good. What have you guys read that's been good?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#315: Mar 13th 2013 at 4:18:11 PM

Oh, that's interesting. The June variant covers are all doing tributes to Wolverine. There were rumors that he's actually going to die...

TheConductor Since: Jan, 2011
#316: Mar 13th 2013 at 4:24:19 PM

I doubt Marvel would launch four new Wolverine series and then kill him mere months later.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#317: Mar 13th 2013 at 4:26:43 PM

[up] Oh, yeah, that. There was a rumor circulated by Bleedingcool that something about his time-traveling in Age of Ultron is going to kill him somehow, and indeed the AU #9 cover shows his regular!self stabbing his AU!self.

...maybe Dog Logan takes over as Wolverine?

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#318: Mar 13th 2013 at 7:45:34 PM

Actually, Marvel could kill off Wolverine while still having multiple ongoings. Just have his ongoings all take place at periods where he was still alive. Hell, a full year of comics could cover a period of a day or two.

But they probably won't kill him off.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#319: Mar 13th 2013 at 8:23:11 PM

Oh I really really hope we get Howlett as the new 616 Wolverine if this one dies.

randomfan Since: Oct, 2010
#320: Mar 14th 2013 at 7:59:38 AM

Marvel won't kill Wolverine he's probably their biggest name.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#321: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:29:47 PM

Say, I had an interesting thought recently. Probably crazy, but hear me out:

Is it possible Bendis likes the X-Men better than the Avengers?

I noticed that he was the one who gave the Avengers the most What the Hell, Hero? scenes during and after AvX, and that combined with the fact that he's bringing an A-game to the X-Men that he never brought to the Avengers, well, it has me thinking. It's a very strange thing to say about someone whose name is virtually synonymous with the Avengers books these days, but...

gregyo Since: Jan, 2001
#322: Mar 16th 2013 at 4:28:45 PM

[up]

Makes sense. He's already talked about how much he loves X-men fans.

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#323: Mar 17th 2013 at 2:38:24 PM

So I just read Uncanny X-Men #143 (Kitty vs. a demon - such an awesome comic). There was a letter from Kurt Busiek, saying that he was dropping the title. He'd felt that the series had been going downhill since #113, and he particularly hated the Dark Phoenix story. He seemed to feel that Claremont was ruining the very characters he'd essentially created in the first place.

I have to wonder if he still feels the same way about it today. Or if he's since said, "OK, yeah, I was wrong, the Dark Phoenix Saga was amazing."

Because seriously, holy shit, there was just nothing else at the time that even compared to it. Claremont and Byrne were just on a totally different level of storytelling from everyone else.

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#324: Mar 17th 2013 at 9:12:07 PM

[up][up]I remember reading on Wikipedia that Bendis was a HUGE X-geek as a kid, so much so that he adapted one of the X-Men Starjammers stories into prose and won a contest with it. The judges praised the originality of the plot, not realizing it was an adaptation, and Bendis was all like, "You guys really haven't heard of the Starjammers?"

So I basically assume Bendis had a to-do list or something.

Step 1: Keep at least one of those Ultimate books away from Mark Millar. Earn wide acclaim.

Step 2: Piss off Avengers fans, write new Avengers team with popular X-Man.

Step 3: Bring Avengers into conflict with X-Men.

Step 4: Stage a bloody coup to gain control of X-Men. Maybe confide in Brian Wood. Must find incriminating photos of Kieron Gillen to ensure cooperation.

Step 5: Write awesome X-Men stories.

Step 6: Kidnap Stan Lee and drink chalice of his blood in arcane ritual, cackle madly.

Step 7: Gain power of flight, declare self King of Comics, rule world, build golden statue of Spider-Man fighting cocaine statue of Wolverine.

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