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    Original OP 
Okay, it seems to me that the thread on "X-Men: Schism" has run its course, and since everyone seems to be commenting on how the conversation is talking about general parts of the franchise, I guess I should start a thread talking about all that.

I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.

One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.

All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM

C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#276: Feb 28th 2013 at 11:33:51 AM

Thanks. I was interested because the "First Night" epilouge you mentioned was written for Classic X-Men #1, which also reduced the new X-Mens battle on the island to a couple of pages. Not all of the additional stuff from Classic has been collected, which I think is a shame.

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FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#277: Feb 28th 2013 at 7:22:41 PM

One more question from me, I swear grin. I just got X-Men Omnibus Vol. 1 from the library so that should hopefully answer all the questions that the Animated Series couldn't. Anyway, has this lineup ever existed?

Lineup: Cyclops, Kitty Pryde, Wolverine, Colossus, Storm, and Gambit?

Just asking because that's probably my ideal lineup for the X-Men.

edited 28th Feb '13 7:23:06 PM by FantasyLiver

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#278: Feb 28th 2013 at 8:14:16 PM

Not that I can think of. Gambit joined the team after Kitty left to form Excalibur, and she was with them for a long time. When she finally rejoined, the team had gotten pretty big, and started going through more turmoil than usual, which caused Gambit to leave temporarily. It wasn't too long after that when Colossus died, and Kitty left soon after that.

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gregyo Since: Jan, 2001
#279: Feb 28th 2013 at 9:04:25 PM

Lots of teams have been REALLY close to that lineup though. The big hang-up is Gambit, who comes and goes pretty frequently.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#280: Feb 28th 2013 at 9:10:54 PM

All those guys have certainly all been on the team at the same time, but I don't think the roster has ever been only them.

WorldTurtle Since: Jan, 2011
#281: Feb 28th 2013 at 9:18:57 PM

i came across some toad/frog facts on line that says the common toad smells like vanilla. So why does Toad smell bad? Bad Personal Hygiene or just fictional bias towards frogs and toads? (you know like the myth they give warts)

Also I note Movie/Evo styled Toad is more like a frog being leaner and able to jump greater distances oppose to toads who are fatter and can't jump as well.

edited 28th Feb '13 9:22:05 PM by WorldTurtle

FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#282: Mar 1st 2013 at 6:07:38 AM

Actually, that's one of the main differences between toads and frogs; frogs jump to get around while toads walk. For the most part.

C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#283: Mar 1st 2013 at 8:36:31 AM

It's not like his powers come from a Toad, it was just an insulting codename given to him.

As for that lineup Liver, the nearest I can think of is the late 90's, which didn't have Cyclops and included Nightcrawler, Marrow and possibly Rogue. It ended with The Twelve storyline, which brought in several other characters and gave Cyclops a prominent role. That era isn't brought up a lot, the main thing I remember is that I didn't like the art style.

Edit: Scratch that, if you swap Gambit with Nightcrawler you get that lineup from Uncanny #150 onwards, which lasted for a decent length of time.

edited 1st Mar '13 8:40:50 AM by C0mraid

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gregyo Since: Jan, 2001
#284: Mar 1st 2013 at 9:19:13 AM

I miss Marrow... She's so cool.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#285: Mar 1st 2013 at 9:41:41 AM

[up] A couple months ago there was a writer (I think it was Simon Spurrier) who said on Twitter he'd like to use her...

WorldTurtle Since: Jan, 2011
#286: Mar 1st 2013 at 11:47:11 AM

edited 1st Mar '13 12:41:10 PM by WorldTurtle

FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#287: Mar 1st 2013 at 5:08:55 PM

So I started reading my X-Men Omnibus and how hypocritical is Magneto? He says he loves all mutants and is fighting for mutant rights but he treats Toad, a mutant and one of his most loyal followers, like shit.

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#288: Mar 1st 2013 at 5:33:31 PM

[up]Well, you see, as Magneto himself would (much later,) point out, he was something of a big ol' hypocrite back in the early days. He claimed to fight for mutant rights, but he became so wrapped up in humanity's hatred for mutants, and was so affected by his own experience's in the Nazi Deathcamps, that he was utterly consumed by hate, and this reflected his actions. It wasn't until the early 80's, after he threatened to use a freaking nuke, that he started to realize this, and said to Cyclops (and a sailor-woman that Cylops was hanging out with at the time,) what I've just told you. Some time later, when Xavier had to go to space for a while to save his own life, Magneto even tried to be a hero, but as time went on, he realized that, as they say, old habits die hard. Try as he might, he couldn't truly put aside what he saw as injustice to mutants, and slowly turned back to his villainous ways. However, Depending on the Writer, he's not quite the same as he used to be starting out either. He wasn't so much of a hypocrite now, and he made sure to treat his own kind with respect. Nowadays, he's trying to be a hero once again, though who knows how long that will last.

edited 3rd Mar '13 12:52:32 PM by kkhohoho

Doxiedame Since: Dec, 2010
#289: Mar 2nd 2013 at 5:09:02 PM

To tell the truth, I used to feel the hypocrisy made him feel a little more realistic.

Thinks he's the best choice to lead the mutants into the future yet often couldn't keep his own followers in line.

Felt he held moral superiority over humans and yet committed some pretty heinous atrocities himself.

Uses what how humans treated him as an excuse yet often treats his mutant offspring like crap.

Magneto's still one of my favorite villains of all time when a good writer's behind the him.

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WorldTurtle Since: Jan, 2011
#290: Mar 2nd 2013 at 11:27:43 PM

You know I understand the fear normal people have of mutants. When their powers trigger most will not have any control over their powers (and thus can be compared to ticking time bombs) and well kids and even adults do pretty stupid or selfish things powers or no powers so people have right to be afraid.

However hating them and attacking them is on the same level of stupid as harassing a wild animal that is fully capable of tearing them a new one.

Also since 5 maybe even 3-years-old who hasn't wanted superpowers? It's a dream come true and people reject it? Has this point ever been brought up in any X-Men media?

randomfan Since: Oct, 2010
#291: Mar 2nd 2013 at 11:40:58 PM

I've only ever seen humans attacking mutants with non-combat powers, because that makes sense.

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gregyo Since: Jan, 2001
#292: Mar 3rd 2013 at 8:20:50 AM

[up][up]

It's a mixed bag. For instance, Chamber has really cool powers, but they blew off the bottom part of his face and his entire chest.

Not really a great trade-off.

FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#293: Mar 3rd 2013 at 11:21:26 AM

So, in addition to Vol. 1 of the X-Men Omnibus, I'm also reading Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men and it's some good stuff. Gotta say, the funniest/awesomest part of the book is Wolverine watching Cyclops and Emma Frost having sex and then asking them what stage of greiving they're in. Way to call out Cyke, Logan!

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#294: Mar 3rd 2013 at 12:44:09 PM

I have to say, Whedon does make the relationship between Scott and Emma a highlight of the series. They're a great couple.

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gregyo Since: Jan, 2001
#295: Mar 3rd 2013 at 2:42:58 PM

[up][up] Cyclops blasting Logan through a wall after that was a better highlight, IMO.

edited 3rd Mar '13 2:43:13 PM by gregyo

FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#296: Mar 3rd 2013 at 3:46:35 PM

[up] Agreed. Espescially when as Cyclops does so, Wolverine is still mouthing off and asks "Denial?"

Speaking of Wolverine, does anyone have some good discarded Wolverine Origin stories? Like, before he was revealed to be James Howlett. I'm not talking about him being a mutated wolverine or anything, I mean origins that are in the comics and are now contradicted by his current origin.

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#297: Mar 3rd 2013 at 3:58:49 PM

[up]Amen. Whedon's run on Astonishing was the greatest thing ever, and it only gets better from there.

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FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#298: Mar 5th 2013 at 6:30:24 PM

Hey guys, I was just wondering if anybody's ever retconned Beast's blue furry mutation into a natural one? Huh? Have they ever said that his fuzzy and blue form was natural in any adaptation?

C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#299: Mar 5th 2013 at 6:37:27 PM

I think Morrison did. At least that the experiment provoked a natural change. Traditionaly there were rules for Marvel retcons, but they are being broken down more and more now.

And the early Ultimate comics had his hair turn blue naturally, but he might have been killed off before the full transformation. I'm sure other adaptions have had it be a natural change or even that he was born like that, though I can think of three major ones that kept the failed mutant cure angle.

edited 5th Mar '13 6:41:00 PM by C0mraid

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#300: Mar 5th 2013 at 7:04:59 PM

I know First Class kept the original origin. I've seen the Animated Series and I know they used that origin too.


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