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Okay, it seems to me that the thread on "X-Men: Schism" has run its course, and since everyone seems to be commenting on how the conversation is talking about general parts of the franchise, I guess I should start a thread talking about all that.
I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
edited 15th Nov '11 5:25:43 AM by TiggersAreGreat
I think the whole schism thing won't be mentioned much anymore. Gold and Blue teams are set up, and now they'll all get on with having adventures. At least that's what I'm hoping.
What does have me worried is the lack of villains, which I think we already brought up back in the Schism thread. For now there have been positive signs, what with Sinister finally returning, Archangel becoming something akin to Apocalypse considering he's not in any x-book, rumors that Sabretooth might come back and the Heckfire Clubhouse.
This should be more than enough to keep everyone busy.
Has anyone here read DeFilippis and Weir's New Mutants and subsequent New X-Men series? Because if you haven't, I'd definitely recommend it, and both runs are available on Marvel's Digital Comics website. Issue 11 of New X-Men is, IMO, in the running for the best single issue of any comic I've ever read. Methinks Kyle and Yost sort of missed the point when they took over the book, though.
Huh, Blink is back in this month's New Mutant's issue. Kinda weird to see her acting heroic against a band of superpowered metal rock bands when the last time she showed up in Necrosha she was Selene's teleport chauffeur. Not that I mind, I like heroic Blink from Ao A and Exiles.
anyone else digging Colossonaut/Juggerlossus? After so many years of just sitting in the background, Peter's finally an interesting character, as his nobility has led him to literally sell his soul. It's an interesting use for a character who too often just gets used as the muscle in fight scenes.
Well, when you're a big guy who can coat himself with high-quality metal, I imagine the only role given for you would be the muscle.
Personally, I just find it sad that Colossus and Shadowcat's relationship is being subjected to Yank the Dog's Chain. I mean, first Colossus dies to get a cure for that Legacy virus. Then I Got Better kicks in, but he works for the bad guys for a while. Then Shadowcat gets stuck inside that bullet. Sure, she was eventually freed, but she was stuck in intangible mode for a while. Then Colossus becomes Colossonaut (I think that name sounds nicer than Juggerossus)! Colossus decides to go to Cyclops's side, and Shadowcat decides to go to Wolverine's side. The two of them has a discussion about their decisions, and Colossus explains that his decision is not because of his little sister Magik, as much as he loves her, but because he has become The Juggernaut, and he is now too dangerous to himself and others (especially children) to be around them. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Yank the Dog's Chain if it's used once or twice, but at least five times...! Honestly, Colossus and Shadowcat might as well give up on ever having a relationship!
edited 20th Nov '11 5:49:37 AM by TiggersAreGreat
Well, I for one am glad to see Mr. Sinister back in the saddle in Uncanny, and using a dead Celestial to boot! Can't wait to see where they go with that. And Wolvie and the Sniktbubs issue 2 is out, so I gott pick that up sometime this weekend.
I don't think the Golden Celestial is actually dead. Just resting or inactive. Remember how Magneto was removed from the playing field because he had to stay behind and work as its nervous system.
Oh yeah, forgot about that...where'd that thing come from, anyway? Was that Jonathan Hickman's baby Celestial that he'd been foreshadowing (I think it was in SHIELD: Architects of Forever)? And if so, how'd it wind up on Utopia?
It's an obscure bit of Marvel history. It was the big magcuffin of their Eternals series which got a reboot around 2006 I think. And it wasn't in Utopia it was in San Fransisco because well... who knows why giant space gods do things.
Hey, I've got a question...if The Juggernaut and Colossonaut rammed into each other, what would happen? I ask this because people say that nothing can stop the Juggernaut, but no has ever said what would happen if two Juggernauts collided!
Whoever Cytorak (the space demon who made/controls the ruby that gives the Juggernaut powers) liked best would win.
In other words, Colossus, since Peter's pact was made directly with Cyrotakk, while Cain just found the gem in the middle of nowhere.
Am I the only one who thinks that Emma Frost is a confusing character? Let's see, she started out as an Ice Queen (ha, ha!) and Evil Brit who was not afraid to flaunt her attributes to everyone. Also, she is a teacher who has been both malevolent and benevolent!
I know that Depending on the Writer is a big factor to this. Still, the Retcons to the character have had some strange results. There was that one story where she was supposedly locked in an insane asylum, but that has been stated to be a total fabrication on Emma's part to get her students to sympathize with her.
Then you have the official story where she started out as a brunette with glasses. Her father Winston Frost was a Complete Monster, her mother Hazel Frost was an Extreme Doormat, her older sister Adrienne Frost was an Alpha Bitch and Complete Monster, her younger sister Cordelia was a sleazy Jerkass, and her brother Christian Frost was the Only Sane Man in the Big, Screwed-Up Family. I know that Emma killed off Adrienne in a Shoot the Dog moment. Isn't it weird that the fates of Winston, Hazel, Christian and Cordelia have not been elaborated on?
It's interesting how Emma's character varies to the point that you would think that you were looking at In Name Only versions of the character! Do you think the writers will ever address this?
She debuted as a ruthless woman who was willing to do whatever it took to take and hold power. She got that way because her family and her college experiences made her feel like she had to be that way. When the Hellions were killed, it deeply affected her. So she chose to tutor Generation X. She found, in the process, that being a hero was rewarding. When Gen X disbanded, she decided to go to Genosha to teach and shape the kids there. The genocide on Genosha once again deeply affected her. My theory is that it made her feel vulnerable, and needing support. But she didn't want to be damaged that way, so she tried to pretend she wasn't. Thus, her affair with Scott was her reaching out to him for emotional support, but done in a way that gave her a sense of control over the situation.
And now, Emma wants to preserve the mutant race. But she also wants to be a bitch. So she does both.
She's not that complicated.
I would have to conclude that the people who say Emma got Character Derailment Did Not Do The Research.
She does seem to like the Hannibal Lecture and the Mind Rape. I thought it was priceless when Jean Grey catches her having sex with Cyclops, and what happened next. Emma does a Did You Just Flip Off Cthulhu? (or maybe it was Do Not Taunt Cthulhu), considering that Jean had the Phoenix Force at that point. Emma tried the Hannibal Lecture, only for Jean to give a quick Shut Up, Hannibal! and then make Emma relive her worst memory. Yep, the Queen of Mind Rape got a taste of her own medicine! She played and she payed, didn't she?
So, according to Bleedingcool (don't laugh) Brian Bendis is apparently expected to take over at least one X-book once he's done with Avengers following AVX. They provided no source for this, only mentioning "people in the industry" said it.
Yeah, we'll see. It's my understanding that Bleeding Cool isn't what could be considered a reliable source. Wasn't that the site that got absolutely slammed with completely made-up rumours of a Batman/Spider-Man crossover not long ago?
Hamburger Time, I absolutely adored Weir and Defillipis' run on New X-Men. It was awesome and I really cared about the characters and their growth. Do you remember what the 12-issue miniseries that directly preceded it, but focused on the "old' New X-Men was called?
It was New Mutants volume 2.
Thank you! Sorry to interrupt your conversation. I'm glad that, according to Wiki anyway, what's left of the New Mutants and Hellion squads still get a little screentime.
Oh, don't be sorry, I'm always willing to talk about DeFilippis/Weir. I've scared away many a CBR poster with my love for them. While I get that they had plans of their own, I do sort of wish that Kyle/Yost had been respectful of DeFilippis/Weir enough to conclude their unfinished arcs, if you get what I'm saying.
^ Yeah, I can get that. On the other hand, the new guys probably wanted to get their own story points in, and they had to deal with Decimation. They should have finished what was started, but I'm just thinking those were the reasons they didn't. Mainly, the thing I didn't like was how Decimation warped the world of the X-Men. I know, I know, I'm a comic fan that doesn't like a change . I just enjoyed mutantkind as a growing, diverse community of friends and rivals. To me, the X-Men are interesting because they're dealing with "what Steve and Jack do if they had superpowers" more than "what you'd if you have superpowers" and that sense was reduced by the change. Alas, what's done is done! What's your opinion on the change?
I loved the Bill Jemas era of the X-Men because it explored so many new angles rather than just superhero comics. There was X-Men-as-high school drama, X-Men-as-crime drama, X-Men-as-murder mystery... Then Quesada or Buckley or the marketing suits or whoever made it all just superhero stories again, the biggest deviation from the norm being X-Factor. I dislike M-Day because I think it was done for the wrong reason; if it had been done, say, because the creative teams felt overwhelmed by the amount of mutants and felt that the good stories that could be told were restricted by the sheer number of extraneous characters, I could understand that. But the thing is, that wasn't the reason. The reason, as implied by an interview with Rob Liefeld, was to take the X-Men out of the spotlight and put the Avengers due to having the film rights to the latter but not the former!
A whole lot of people think that some or all of the period from mid-2005 to mid-2011 was one big, incredibly depressing Dork Age (if not the entire period, then certainly the Fraction run).
edited 26th Feb '12 8:34:20 AM by HamburgerTime
I've heard it said that mutantkind in X Men had its numbers decreased to around 200, because the writers felt that racism only applies to minorities, and that mutantkind was reaching to a size that was surpassing minority size.
Boy, does that line of reasoning contain Unfortunate Implications or what? Have you heard of an event called Apartheid in South Africa? In that situation, whites were the minority group and blacks were the majority group. However, the white minority group held too much power and racism was a big problem for the black majority there. What I'm trying to say is even if mutantkind became a majority, it would still be facing racism!
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