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darkclaw Legs of Justice from Right behind you. Since: Dec, 2010
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#1: Nov 13th 2011 at 9:38:08 AM

Has anyone ever felt so frustrated with their current situation, the state of the world or both that they have considered becoming The Unfettered or the Übermensch?

I feel this way, although I personaly believe I probably will become more of an Übermensch than The Unfettered if it ever does happen.

Despite all my kindness, and many other peoples' kindness, I still am only a college student who has far too much knowledge of the world's problems. I feel like I shouldn't just help people one at a time, if I want to change the world and inspire everyone to try to fix their problems and others, I need to find a way to reach out to the world and tell them to help everyone and themselves and to never give up, despite the sadness they may find. Sadly, I am not Kamina nor am I Lelouch, so I find myself split between trying to find a way to empower as many as possible one day no matter what and going "screw it, just live my life and enjoy it while still helping as many as I can, without being detrimental to me". In addition, sometimes I wonder if I should keep my Wide-Eyed Idealist self...but through a series of events, I now understand both my good qualities and my hidden darker side.

I brought up all the above as an example of what is driving me to decide between how I currently am and becoming either an Übermensch or The Unfettered. Has anyone else ever found themselves choosing between how they currently are and becoming something else like those two options? If so, what drove you to that point and what did you choose?

I totally hate my avatar. Just saying.
cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
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#2: Nov 13th 2011 at 9:39:39 AM

I'd be worried if I suddenly became a fictional writing/plot device/characterization!! =(

inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#3: Nov 13th 2011 at 9:39:53 AM

Übermensch

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darkclaw Legs of Justice from Right behind you. Since: Dec, 2010
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#4: Nov 13th 2011 at 9:51:45 AM

Sorry, I have studied philosophy a lot. So I use these words often.

What I mean is in (crude) philosophical terms is:

Ubermensch = You live by own codes, standards, etc. and don't give a shit about what others expect.

Unfettered = You can have emotions, morals, etc. ...but they never get in the way of your goals.

I totally hate my avatar. Just saying.
Wonderqueer Since: Aug, 2011
#5: Nov 13th 2011 at 9:56:29 AM

I have done so, kinda maybe. Less a personal change and more of a realization. I see it not so much as license to be bad, more as a relief from the burden of self-deprecation. I feel I can stop worrying about what kind of person I am and just be.

Haldo Indecisive pumpkin from Never never land Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#6: Nov 13th 2011 at 9:58:33 AM

You live by own codes, standards, etc. and don't give a shit about what others expect
I'm kind of like that. I mean, no where near to the extent of Kamina or someone like that, but yeah, I don't put too much stock in my reputation.

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Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#7: Nov 13th 2011 at 10:09:04 AM

This one would like to. There is nothing that she would wish more. To have no fear and no regret.

But...this one can't. Just can't. This one is a damn coward sad

edited 13th Nov '11 10:10:13 AM by Beholderess

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InverurieJones '80s TV Action Hero from North of the Wall. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#8: Nov 13th 2011 at 10:19:40 AM

"Ubermensch = You live by own codes, standards, etc. and don't give a shit about what others expect."

This comes quite close. Apart from going along with certain things so as to avoid being hauled off to jail, that is.

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darkclaw Legs of Justice from Right behind you. Since: Dec, 2010
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#9: Nov 13th 2011 at 10:37:04 AM

@ Jones

I can think of one being an Unfettered and manipulating others so they don't go to jail, but an Ubermensch would probably have to live with the consequences of their actions.

I totally hate my avatar. Just saying.
Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#10: Nov 13th 2011 at 11:51:13 AM

I'm dritfing towards Ubermensch, then.

edited 13th Nov '11 11:52:21 AM by Erock

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#11: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:02:29 PM

Übermensch isn't supposed to be something you just drift into being. It's supposed to be difficult.

I no longer have any interest in becoming one, or in unfettering myself. Alone, I am changeable, emotional, at times self-destructive and at times hurtful to others. I don't want to be that person. I put my faith in God instead.

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darkclaw Legs of Justice from Right behind you. Since: Dec, 2010
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#12: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:03:13 PM

@ Erock

Yeah, I think I am too somewhat.

@ Inane

Haha. Funny video, but I see your point. I probably should have explained myself better in my first post, I hope the fourth post was adequate to explain what I meant. Although the examples I gave, especially Kamina, were bad ones. I'm pretty tired lately :P

@ Bobby G

I suppose one could say you can't drift into becoming one, as to be a true Ubermensch, you'd have to reject a lot of things. But I feel as if I am slowly drifting into wanting to be one, to describe myself better.

edited 13th Nov '11 12:04:49 PM by darkclaw

I totally hate my avatar. Just saying.
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Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#14: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:18:25 PM

Oh? In the end, we are alone. And all we truly have is ourselves. Everything else will be lost, if it even was ever had. Which is doubtful.

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Wonderqueer Since: Aug, 2011
#15: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:20:57 PM

No, in the end there's usually people around to deal with the dead body and stuff.

Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
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#16: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:22:55 PM

Nope, always going to be people around. Now, whether or not you choose to isolate yourself is up to you.

The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
Haldo Indecisive pumpkin from Never never land Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#17: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:23:08 PM

I'm pretty happy with myself. I mean, I'm not in love with myself or anything, but I don't think I really need to make any drastic changes to my nature right now.

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Merlo *hrrrrrk* from the masochist chamber Since: Oct, 2009
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#18: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:31:05 PM

Ubermensch = You live by own codes, standards, etc. and don't give a shit about what others expect.

Er, are you sure? I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that, like the will to power and love of life blah blah

Anyway, isn't it supposed to be impossible for a real ubermensch to exist? Somehow I get the impression that if you're trying to be one then it doesn't count...

*reads OP*

Wait a minute... what do ubermenschen have anything to do with this? "Help those you can and don't worry too much" is common sense!

edited 13th Nov '11 12:34:46 PM by Merlo

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Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
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#19: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:33:58 PM

No, they don't really. The problem with the Ubermensch is that it needs other people to spontaneously decide to follow said Ubermensch even though a lot of what he or she is doing is chaotic and absurd, usually with an overly blown ego. The people that change laws and history work with what's already on the plate and make adjustments instead of flipping the entire table over and thinking they can get away with it.

The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
darkclaw Legs of Justice from Right behind you. Since: Dec, 2010
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#20: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:38:31 PM

@ Merlo

Yes, the will to power and love of life are also important. I wrote that really quickly as I'm tired (as I said, "Crude").

Also, trying to be one does not exclude you from becoming one. You're thinking of The Last Man who to some degree envies the Ubermensch, and can't quite make it to that level. Usually one isnt' born an Ubermensch, they decide to become one and do, instead of just fantasizing like The Last Man.

@ Ramus

I agree with those problems and that may be why I am hesitant to just become an Ubermensch. I think both Unfettered and Ubermensch have problems, though I suppose I may not become either one but something else I define and create. ...I sound like a cliche character don't I?

I totally hate my avatar. Just saying.
Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#21: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:45:09 PM

Nope, always going to be people around. Now, whether or not you choose to isolate yourself is up to you.
Sure, there are going to be people around. Their presence means nothing, though. There is limit on how close one person could possibly get to another. No experience can be truly shared - even in the same place and same time, people experience on their own.

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common
Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
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#22: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:46:49 PM

@Behold: And that says nothing on how well those people can relate to each other and befriend each other.

@darkclaw: Okay, so you're an Ubermensch. What are you going to do that's revolutionary without you getting jailed and everyone forgetting about you?

edited 13th Nov '11 12:47:40 PM by Ramus

The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#23: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:49:48 PM

Not saying that they can't. Only that there is a limit to that. Some things, people always face alone, no matter how many friends they have and how willing said friends are to (sincerely!) offer comfort and understanding.

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common
Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
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#24: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:51:43 PM

Only if you isolate and force the problem to be your own and only your own. Even with personal mental demons, moral support can go a long way to giving someone the strength they need to continue.

The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
darkclaw Legs of Justice from Right behind you. Since: Dec, 2010
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#25: Nov 13th 2011 at 12:52:45 PM

@ Ramus

See, that's the problem with Ubermensch that I am agreeing with. I think if you truly want something, you can't be afraid to force change but you have to have patience and do it in a way that will not get people to ruin your life as well. So, you have to follow some rules...just find ways around them.

I totally hate my avatar. Just saying.

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