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JTIsCool Since: Dec, 1969
#126: Nov 13th 2011 at 2:06:08 PM

Baff@Thanks,Baff I knew I could count on you.

Actually if you think about it all laws are an extent of morals.So,without any morals there would be no laws.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#127: Nov 13th 2011 at 2:08:38 PM

[up]

Yes. Unfortunetly for you our Nation is secular. Thus religious morality is actually a political imposition of a Chrisitan majority. The tyranny of the majority I would say.

Should the U.S not be so outdated and its constitution not so... useless then you would have a state such as the European ones which are built upon true constitutions that allow for less restrictive and puritan societies. Instead of the U.S constitution which does nothing but stablishing the form of the state.

But... wait! This magical thing happened and is called ammendments! By which my desire of freedom of expresion is more important than your sensibility.

edited 13th Nov '11 2:11:36 PM by Baff

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JTIsCool Since: Dec, 1969
#128: Nov 13th 2011 at 2:11:48 PM

Baff@

Tyranny of the majority!?!

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#129: Nov 13th 2011 at 2:12:32 PM

[up] Nazi germany. Oh wait... I lost.

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DomaDoma Three-Puppet Saluter Since: Jan, 2001
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#130: Nov 13th 2011 at 2:14:49 PM

"[Unchecked] democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner."

Anyway, violence is usually more story-pertinent than sex, so there's that. Doesn't explain how Zack Snyder doesn't get rated NC-17, but in general, it's a good rule.

edited 13th Nov '11 2:15:18 PM by DomaDoma

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JTIsCool Since: Dec, 1969
#131: Nov 13th 2011 at 2:16:20 PM

Lets get back on topic before this just becomes a flame war.

I think the big reason why violence is considered more acceptable than sex is because of cutlure.

More secular cutlures are prone to have less worries about sex and violence.

More relgious countries are more prone to promote violence than sex though the sexual stuff is a bit more subtler take for example the Animaniacs.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#132: Nov 13th 2011 at 2:32:31 PM

A word of advice to all who think we should censor mild sexual imagery from tv.

if your TV causes you to sin, smash it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose your tv than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Or better yet: If a tv program causes you to sin... THEN CHANGE THE CHANNEL!!!!

edited 13th Nov '11 2:34:35 PM by Baff

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JTIsCool Since: Dec, 1969
#133: Nov 13th 2011 at 2:34:50 PM

Baff@You really did research that bible class a lot.

Also if you like it promote more Christian writers in Holly Wood.

edited 13th Nov '11 2:35:38 PM by JTIsCool

DomaDoma Three-Puppet Saluter Since: Jan, 2001
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#134: Nov 13th 2011 at 2:37:19 PM

Well, consider Game of Thrones, a story that actually does have plot-relevant sex scenes. Then consider the HBO series, which drowns the plot-relevant sex in a lot of irrelevant humping added to spice up the exposition. Sex just tends to be both gratuitous and tempting to producers - which probably isn't the MPAA's reasoning, but it is my reasoning for being cool with their standards.

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HiddenFacedMatt Avatars may be subject to change without notice. Since: Jul, 2011
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#135: Nov 13th 2011 at 5:13:00 PM

If your science class didn't manage to include the difference between sexual and asexual reproduction, I suggest suing your school for being utterly incompetent.
They did include the difference between sexual and asexual reproduction... during grade 9. There are plenty of things for science class to address before then, you know.

And I put the burden of proof on you because you were the one claiming something was the case. You can't prove a negative.

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kashchei Since: May, 2010
#136: Nov 13th 2011 at 7:24:26 PM

Of course you can. It's called modus tollens, it's covered in ninth grade math. Again, may I suggest suing your school?

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DomaDoma Three-Puppet Saluter Since: Jan, 2001
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#137: Nov 13th 2011 at 7:34:14 PM

If you don't learn formal logic in K-12, sue the school? That may actually be a means to upping their standards, scarily enough. But there's no necessary consequent for children learning about sex earlier than twelve, so yeah.

In any case, counterexample: I am a massive prude, and I knew what sex was when I was eight.

edited 13th Nov '11 7:34:32 PM by DomaDoma

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kashchei Since: May, 2010
#138: Nov 13th 2011 at 11:46:13 PM

"Actually if you think about it all laws are an extent of morals."

No, not all, unless you define morals so loosely as to include any arbitrary opinion on anything that does not have impact on anyone outside the person involved in the act (e.g. sodomy, smoking pot, etc.).

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tropetown Since: Mar, 2011
#139: Nov 14th 2011 at 4:09:09 AM

However, I tend to be harder of male promiscuity because thats one thing about our culture we should agree on is that men are often praised for being promiscious and women tend to get flak for it.

Yeah, I think that men should be held to the same standard and not be promoted to act promiscious.

I would go the other way, and say that neither should be looked down upon for who and how often they decide to fuck.

And I put the burden of proof on you because you were the one claiming something was the case.

I'm not American, but I knew about sex long before I reached the sixth grade. I'm pretty sure I knew about sex before I reached the second grade, actually.

DomaDoma Three-Puppet Saluter Since: Jan, 2001
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#140: Nov 14th 2011 at 4:19:40 AM

Two-parent households are markedly better for children than one-parent households, and random hookups rarely result in the man being the single parent. Thus, I'd say slut-shaming guys is the way to go. (In fact, I believe I have slut-shamed you specifically.)

edited 14th Nov '11 4:21:16 AM by DomaDoma

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tropetown Since: Mar, 2011
#141: Nov 14th 2011 at 4:25:37 AM

Two-parent households are markedly better for children than one-parent households. Thus, I'd say slut-shaming guys is the way to go.

Promiscuous != deadbeat dad. If you have taken measures to protect everyone involved from the possible negative consequences, why should people be berated for using their own bodies however they wish? Who are you to tell them what they can and cannot do with themselves and a willing partner?

edited 14th Nov '11 4:26:25 AM by tropetown

DomaDoma Three-Puppet Saluter Since: Jan, 2001
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#142: Nov 14th 2011 at 4:31:03 AM

Just a person giving you dirty looks. That much is within my rights.

(Paying child support doesn't amount to raising the kid.)

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tropetown Since: Mar, 2011
#143: Nov 14th 2011 at 4:35:59 AM

Just a person giving you dirty looks. That much is within my rights.

Nobody is forcing you to act one way or the other. Why is it your (or anyone's) concern what people do with one another in the privacy of their own bedrooms?

Paying child support doesn't amount to raising the kid.

Which is fully conditional on the prior conception of children. If there are no children, there is no problem.

edited 14th Nov '11 4:36:49 AM by tropetown

DomaDoma Three-Puppet Saluter Since: Jan, 2001
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#144: Nov 14th 2011 at 4:40:17 AM

There are plenty of people who do slimy things (like pick-up artistry) without making me participate in them. I am allowed to disapprove nonetheless.

But if she's on the Pill, all right, the childcare objection doesn't really stand.

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tropetown Since: Mar, 2011
#145: Nov 14th 2011 at 4:43:14 AM

I am allowed to disapprove nonetheless.

Yes, you are. That doesn't mean that they should not continue doing as they wish with their bodies, though.

DomaDoma Three-Puppet Saluter Since: Jan, 2001
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#146: Nov 14th 2011 at 4:46:24 AM

I don't think I have ever proposed banning anything that goes down between consenting individuals in my entire history here, so you don't need to worry about that.

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Alrune Swirl Swirl Red Whirl from Your Bed Since: Jan, 2001
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#147: Nov 14th 2011 at 10:30:38 AM

What I find the most interesting in all of the above is that the representation of sex still remains taboo mainly in the US, it's not a problem in other cultures. Even more interesting, the US are the number 1 producer of porn in the world... Funny how the more religious countries are often the more perverted sexually (Saudi Arabia for instance).

You see, violence is more acceptable than sex because sex is supposed to bring about pleasure and, most of all, can feel good to both parties involved. Since there's a certain culture that dictates to take things from the other and own them to prove just how Badass you are, sex isn't desirable because it's an exchange. It's only acceptable when it's rape. Proof? Has anyone ever been to any other forum than this one? Threats of rape are omnipresent plus, the rates of sexual abuse are soaring in a certain country.

Since that certain culture revels in inflicting pain to others and deriving pleasure from it.... You do the maths.

DomaDoma Three-Puppet Saluter Since: Jan, 2001
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#148: Nov 14th 2011 at 10:38:51 AM

A modern culture built on a foundation of rapacious sadism? Yeah, you lost me. There are Blue Meanie states out there - Saudi Arabia being the reigning champ since the Taliban was ousted - but ones that think theft is the only acceptable form of exchange? I've got nothing, sorry.

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HiddenFacedMatt Avatars may be subject to change without notice. Since: Jul, 2011
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#149: Nov 14th 2011 at 10:46:30 AM

I would go the other way, and say that neither should be looked down upon for who and how often they decide to fuck.
That would be a decent perspective if not for the actual physical consequences of sex. Not only are they risking pregnancy and STDs among each other, but practices that spread STDs make sex less safe for the rest of us. We should err on the side of discouraging sex, not of encouraging it.

Also, "slut" is IIRC a female-specific term, and the male equivalent is "stud." So "stud-shaming" might be a more appropriate phrasing here.

edited 14th Nov '11 10:50:06 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

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#150: Nov 14th 2011 at 1:27:22 PM

We should err on the side of discouraging unprotected sex, not of encouraging it.

Fixed it for ya.


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