What was the logic behind not simply realising that the Eurozone command weren't going to relent and voting to leave the Euro in the referendum?
Plus there's always the option of electing a goverment that doesn't ask for bailouts but instead asks for debt reductions/deferment.
edited 21st Aug '15 2:28:06 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranFear of being unable to pull it off without unimaginable domestic catastrophe, I'd guess.
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edited 21st Aug '15 2:38:20 PM by Quag15
Funny thing is, SYRIZA was supposed to be that. But it was a faint hope. A debt relief is, at this point, out of the question.
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.Essentially, Tsipras' problem is that he forgot that he wasn't in France, where openly lying to and then ignoring the voters is considered acceptable behavior.
I do seriously wonder, though. Would a far left-far right coalition work in Greece right now?
@Logo P: Ironically, Die Linke has the plain name it does in part to distinguish itself from its grandfather, the Socialist Unity Party of Germany - also known as East Germany's governing party. And because of that heritage, they're still iced out of any possible federal coalition government - the SPD would rather form a coalition with the CDU than let the Left in, and even the Greens want nothing to do with them.
Essentially, the only way the Left is getting into government is through winning a majority - the CDU, Greens, SDP, and (if they still exist) the FDP would all rather band together than give Die Linke any influence over the federal government - the only possible coalition DL might be involved in would be a similar pact against the National Democrats.
edited 21st Aug '15 10:28:46 PM by Ramidel
Not quite. The Communists in Russia are not really a successor to the CPSU, nor are they seen as such, nor are they cordoned out of the government (not that United Russia needs a cordon sanitaire because, y'know, Putin is the House).
The actual Bolsheviks in Russia are the Left Front, which is an outlawed party.
edited 22nd Aug '15 2:46:45 AM by Ramidel
In other words, annexing Greece, making it the first puppet state of the New European Empire? I think not.
It would be the most honest aproch. The Greek government keeps acting like it has control over Greece's finances, it doesn't and they need to stop pretending. If the Troika want to be in charge of Greece then it can be in charge of Greece, the whole kit and kaboodle.
If economic policy is being decided by the Troika then they're effectively running Greece as is, why not make it official?
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThing is, I've seen people bring up the past governments of PASOK and New Democracy (centre-right and neocons respectively) as examples of " the failure of socialism". Socialism, damn it.
To an American Republican, everyone else is a socialist.
Re Die Linke: Haven't they been in coalitions at the municipal level? I thought the main issues was that they're only popular in East Germany and Saarland.
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They're part of Brandenburg's government at the moment - we have a Linke/SPD coalition, to the chagrin of the federal SPD. Our federal social democrats despise Die Linke and always decline even to negotiate forming a coalition with them - mostly because the SPD on the federal level is just CDU 2.0 these days and a coalition with Die Linke would force them to actually listen to their electorate for once.
We also have one Bundesland with a leftist Minister-President - Thuringia, I think.
Also: A large part of today's Die Linke are disgruntled former SPD members who left the party because of Schröder's politics.
We learn from history that we do not learn from historyI still hope that some government includes them as a junior partner, resulting in the federal party "maturing". They're probably the only electable opposition party we have left.
Maybe Mutti makes them her junior partners when the SPD comes crashing down in the next election.
edited 22nd Aug '15 12:16:32 PM by DrunkenNordmann
We learn from history that we do not learn from history

We changed governments God-knows-how-many-times, we tried our luck with technocrats (Papademos), we broke the two-party system and, for the first time in the country's history, brought a left-leaning party into power.
Nothing came out of it. Kept stumbling from disappointment to disappointment. We've reached a point where the only remaining "options" are Golden Dawn and KKE.
edited 21st Aug '15 2:18:37 PM by LogoP
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.