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Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin Since: Jul, 2010
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#52: Jan 5th 2012 at 6:56:42 PM

Expect them to hire Simon Kinberg, causing the movie to have no plot as a result.

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ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#53: Jan 14th 2012 at 4:19:35 PM

Wait they're still running with the japanese names even though there's only one actual Japanese actor?

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#54: Jan 15th 2012 at 7:27:31 AM

[up]Of course. It is Hollywood, what d'ya expect?

Schitzo HIGH IMPACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE from Akumajou Dracula Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: LA Woman, you're my woman
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#55: Jan 15th 2012 at 1:56:52 PM

Lets hope that hiatus stays permanent.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#56: Jan 15th 2012 at 6:53:04 PM

Why? What benefit do you gain from an Akira adaptation not being made?

feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
#57: Jan 16th 2012 at 4:10:56 AM

^ If the remake is successful, it will help seed the market for similar films. Thus, if (and only if) we believe that said similar films will have a higher percentage of crap to quality than average, it's to our advantage if this remake isn't made, and other trends are hopped on instead.

Edit: Actually, it's more complicated than that. If it's remade and flops, other trends will definitely be hopped on. If it's not made, it's up in the air what trends will be hopped on. I think if it's not made, there'll be a higher chance that a director who wants to do a faithful adaptation of some other anime will be able to get approval to do so. (I don't believe adaptations are necessarily bad—for instance, I haven't ruled out that the proposed American Death Note movie will be awesome, so long as it avoids the rumored Executive Meddling.)

edited 16th Jan '12 4:16:29 AM by feotakahari

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58: Jan 16th 2012 at 7:42:26 AM

Someone on the last page joked about a Hollywood version of One Piece. Yeah, that sounds ridiculous, but if you think about it, manga/anime like that are the targets Hollywood should be aiming for. Think about it: one of the first and most major complaints regarding anime adaptations is the whitewashing of characters (Speed Racer is exempt on the grounds that no one considers it anime). People get pissed off seeing white guys trying to play Asians. So why not cut the middle man and focus on an anime that doesn't center around Asia?

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#59: Jan 16th 2012 at 10:32:24 AM

I really just don't see the big deal with changing the setting when you do an adaptation. Sure, if you tried adaptating something like Rurouni Kenshin or Durarara, where the Japanese setting is important to the plot/characters, a setting change would be a sure sign the adaptation's gonna be In Name Only. But I don't see any of that in Akira, so why should anyone care?

feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
#60: Jan 16th 2012 at 2:50:28 PM

^ I don't actually care one way or the other, but Robert Brockway does, and his argument is reasonable:

Why change the location of a movie whose central theme is how fucked up it is to be Japanese? I know that sounds disrespectful, but you have to admit that it is, indeed, a pretty fucked up thing to be Japanese. You're confined to an isolated island for the vast majority of your cultural development - an island regularly beset by massive earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and typhoons - and when you eventually do emerge from your isolation, you become the only society to ever have nuclear weaponry deployed against them. Consider all of those factors, and then watch one of those tsunami videos; it's easy to see why so many of their movies seem to think of cities as "those things that just go away sometimes." Akira's imagery relies heavily on this concept of civilization as an impermanent thing: Cities are fragile beings in the movie. They can, and frequently do, dissolve away into nothing right before the character's eyes.

Akira takes place in Tokyo, decades after it's been completely devastated and eventually rebuilt. The location wasn't picked at random: That specific setting has great significance to the story, which revolves around the brutal, violently changing forms of its protagonist, Tetsuo. It's a movie that explores what people are, what civilization brings with it, how progress changes us, and why that's not always for the better. But it absolutely has to take place in Tokyo, Japan's most iconic and permanent settlement, otherwise it means nothing. You can't just do a line, close your eyes, spin a globe, stop it with your dick, and expect the story to work just fine wherever it lands, jaded Hollywood producers.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#61: Jan 16th 2012 at 5:56:28 PM

What I would kill for is a two-part adaptation of the original graphic novel, anime. Not live action. Has to be the same length of the original adaptation for each episode.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#62: Jan 17th 2012 at 3:30:51 AM

[up][up] All that stuff is part of the subtext, though. Subtext always changes when you do an adaptation, no matter how faithful you try to make it.

For example, the Akira anime movie was made while the Soviet Union was still around and the Cold War was still going on. This new movie is being made over two decades after the end of the Cold War. Given that it's a story about a post-nuclear war society, that's gonna result in radically different subtext.

edited 17th Jan '12 3:38:02 AM by RavenWilder

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#63: Jan 17th 2012 at 5:01:56 AM

Yeah but you know how you save some of that context? You put the setting in a city that has regular threats from natural disasters and the occasional nuclear reactor such that the threat of city wide destruction still feels present. I'd also avoid putting it in one of the superpowers of the Cold War and put it in a country that hasn't had the nature of its military changed so much. In fact, it would be great if they were close to North Korea and China.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#64: Jan 17th 2012 at 11:29:56 AM

I just don't see the point in trying to give an adaptation the same subtext as the original work. Adaptations are supposed to do some things differently from the source material, otherwise there'd be no point in making them, and subtext is always one of the first things to get changed.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#65: Jan 17th 2012 at 6:01:43 PM

No. Adaptations are made to put things into a different medium, normally being adapted in a direction so that we can see what something would really look like. Most successful film adaptation of another medium- Lord Of The Rings. Was it because they changed the theme? No. It's because I got to see how scary the Eye was and how pretty the Elves were and how fat Sam was. Changing the themes would have pissed people off.

You may be confusing that with remakes. (In which case you are still wrong, the point of those is to make money without forcing the film commissioner to stretch his brains).

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#66: Jan 17th 2012 at 6:50:08 PM

Any adaptation of AKIRA which isn't set in Japan, starring Japanese actors (mainly, not exclusively, someone has to play the idiot Americans who get involved near the end of the show), using the same themes of the original manga and anime, and showing a workable version of Neo-Tokyo getting twatted is going to four combustion cycles of a jet engine. It is going to suck, squeeze, bang and blow.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#67: Jan 18th 2012 at 4:34:50 AM

[up][up] There's a difference between themes and subtext. The themes of Akira (that I remember, anyway) are society coping with massive disaster(s), urban crime and disorder, teenage gangs/youth culture in conflict with authority, and the government keeping important information from its citizens. Those are all pretty universal themes, and I would hope they'd be in the live action adaptation.

Subtext, however, is what people read into the story beyond what it actually presents us with. You're familiar with Japan's history of suffering and recovering from disasters (natural and otherwise), so when you watch/read a story where Japan suffers and recovers from a disaster, you see it as an analogue for those Real Life disasters. That's fine and dandy, but you have to understand that that's just one interpretation; Akira itself does not make Japan's disaster-ridden history part of the story. Subtext is a subjective and changeable thing, and is not something adaptations should worry about preserving.

And adaptations, even the most faithful ones, do have to change things. Even if the live action film were a shot-for-shot remake of the original, you'd still have the actors reading lines and making facial expressions differently from their hand-drawn counterparts. Sometime you should try watching the two film versions of Jesus Christ Superstar. On paper they should be almost identical: they have the exact same plot, and almost every line of dialogue is unaltered from one version to the next. However, the directors of each film have very different styles and shoot scenes in their own unique ways. On top of that, each actor has their own idea about how to read their lines and what sort of body language to give the characters. Ultimately the two movies end up being quite different from each other despite their near identical scripts; 1973 Pilate and 2000 Pilate are scarcely recognizable as the same character.

P.S. And seeing how respected the Akira anime is despite making huge changes to the manga's plot, I suspect that, if the live action version is well made, the issue of faithfulness will quickly be forgotten. I mean, when's the last time you heard someone complain that a film's depiction of Dracula wasn't faithful to Bram Stoker's novel?

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#68: Jan 18th 2012 at 7:23:28 PM

[up]Well, I know I did when I watched Bram Stoker's Dracula, as directed by (I think) Francis Ford Coppola, and it was nothing like the novel. In any way, shape or form. If I could have, I would have sued the film makers under the Trades Description Act.

ConnorBible Southern Style Scribe from Port Royal, SC Since: Sep, 2011
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#69: Jan 30th 2012 at 4:23:28 PM

What if Akira was the main character? Cloudcuckoolander here.

edited 30th Jan '12 4:23:49 PM by ConnorBible

MrW from some place Since: Sep, 2010
#70: Jan 31st 2012 at 12:28:12 PM

[up]Umm...

edited 31st Jan '12 12:28:33 PM by MrW

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#71: Feb 2nd 2012 at 11:06:17 AM

I've bitched about "adaptations" of Bram Stoker's Dracula before. If they lack what is needed to make the thing lovely on its own with all the changes then it has nothing and deserves no respect from me.

None.

Thankfully most such things I've come across have a charm to them. Sure Hammer's Dracula is about as similar to the book plotwise as the Universal film - which is to say not at all really - but it's an awesome film on its own. Sadly the Universal film's only pluses are Renfield and Dracula. Unless you watch the Spanish version which actually has a fucking plot.

As for Akira...I'm just a bit confused as to why it's being made. I'm not really angry about it not being in Tokyo, though honestly I would much prefer it being there since Akira is a very Japanese thing in my eyes. I'm just so perplexed as to why this is being made and being set elsewhere that I don't have it in me to be angry. Speed Racer made sense. Dragon Ball Evolution made sense. Akira just doesn't seem like something that would have such mainstream appeal.

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