@Beholderess; the problem is that they might not actually see how it can be a disadvantage to them. The poor man tends to vote like he's a rich man because the rich man has been throwing all these arguments at him about what will hurt him. So the poor man/gay/whatever votes against what would really benefit them because they've been convinced somehow that it's the right thing to do.
I wouldn't attack their ethics, no, but I would question greatly whatever logic it is they're using to make their decisions.
@Beholderess The ethical part comes from the fact that one's support of a certain policy does not just affect him/her alone, but also his/her community as a whole. Solidarity is important, especially if you are a minority. To risk the welfare of the rest of your community just because you fail to see how similar you are shows a big lack of empathy, while not exactly morally reprehensible.
BTW, I like reading your posts. I hear Fluttershy's voice in my head [/off-topic]
edited 17th Oct '11 11:22:35 PM by sketch162000
One point I'd like to make: you may not share one community with someone, but you're guaranteed to share another—planet Earth. Your choices shouldn't just be about protecting yourself. They should be about protecting the communities of your friends, and your colleagues, and your classmates, and the people you ride the bus with . . .
In other words, don't vote black or vote white. Vote for making people's lives better, regardless of whether they look like you.
edited 18th Oct '11 12:02:22 AM by feotakahari
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something AwfulThe Dems have always been the party of most minorities, since the party generally looked out for their interests (particularly in neing able to actually integrate with the host society if they're FO Bs). Because the GOP, out of economic policy's that may or may not be alright on their own, in practice tend to shut out minorities in favor of the status quo. Thus to go to the GOP is often seen (rightly or wrongly) to mean you care less for your minority and its plight and act very much like minorities did back when their rights were far more...restrained. Mind, this opinion is one of a non-Black/Hispanic minority of the United States, but there you go.
Of course, I'm no Dem either, but thats more to do with policies outside the scope of this topic. But this topic is also one of the reasons I'll never be of the GOP either.
I am going to call Critical Reasearch Failure on that one.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121856786326834083.html
The Democrats would the conservative party of yesteryear until Franklin D.Roosevelt came along.Also don't forget about Andrew Jackson and the Cherokees.
Tomu@That reminds me that when my Nana(my dad's mother)finally got her first house;the news of JFK getting shot was reported at the same time.I still wonder what would have happened if he didn't get shot would the civil rights tooken a different course.
http://www.oaoa.com/articles/doubt-73559-black-congressional.html
This could explain a lot why I kinda of am against some of the liberal policies.But don't worry if I ever get rich I am going to make people happy and do foster care like my grandma.
edited 18th Oct '11 7:47:16 AM by joyflower
BTW, I like reading your posts. I hear Fluttershy's voice in my head [/off-topic]
Also, this one is honoured (blushes)
If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common![]()
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Are you referring to the fact Lyndon Johnson became president because Kennedy died instead of the usual way of waiting for John F Kennedy to serve out his term, run for reelection, get reelected, serve out his second term, and then (LBJ can) run (for President), and get elected to be president?
edited 18th Oct '11 11:12:45 AM by secretist
TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971Well, the Civil Rights Movement is unique in that it had bipartisan presidential support, in the form of tentative backing by both Eisenhower and JFK, and then full backing by LBJ.
Although I still think Eisenhower has a fantastic crowning moment of awesome in the form of his 101st Airborne Division and the nationalization of the entire 10,000-man Arkansas National Guard to enforce Brown vs. Board of Education.
The best fuck off to racism ever performed by an American.
edited 18th Oct '11 4:52:31 PM by USAF713
I am now known as Flyboy.Of course. But not challenging "Uncle Toms" results in a net loss to the goal of overcoming racism in modern society, which is still rife with structural racism and inequality, anyway. The proverbial "Uncle Tom" would be opposed to politics that were meant to alleviate that inequality, thus throwing the ideal of a fair society into jeopardy. Appealing to racial equality by defending "Uncle Toms" is kind of useless if it ends up hindering that equality in the end. Two steps forward, three steps back.
I have a problem with the epithet "Uncle Tom" (that doesn't only stem from the fact that I have had it lobbed at me by several classmates, along with the "acting white" accusations).
It's been a very long time since I read the book, but if I remember correctly, wasn't Uncle Tom the character who stayed on the plantation to help other slaves escape? That means he was actually helping his race, and sacrificing his own freedom to do so. How did this heroic character get twisted like that?
edited 18th Oct '11 7:32:41 PM by NomadicLurker
Nothing to see here.

Tomu@I have lived a middle class life with a divorced mom and dad since three.I was in my opinion always taken cared of by them and they tended to shelter me a bit.The funny thing is they both were Democrats on a moderate scale.
My mom is so Christian that she inspired my faith as a child.I know everyone who has found out I came out of the closet as a Republican will just give me the stare and later just accept it.However,I still hope that it remains that reaction and not Al Sharpton will have my pitcure on his dartboard.
This poem is how I feel about my Black heritage and I once had to rehearse a part of it when I was younger: http://www.angelfire.com/la2/jacquie/Back.html
edited 17th Oct '11 11:09:39 PM by joyflower