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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#326: Aug 20th 2018 at 8:04:08 PM

I think the show didn't need a seasonal arc.

Because it wasn't that kind of show.

There's no "villain" in Firefly, it's just about a bunch of Space Truckers living the Independent Dream.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#327: Aug 21st 2018 at 7:23:21 AM

[up][up] In fairness, the pilot wasn't that good. Ink Dagger said "I think it would have carried itself. I've yet to show the series to someone and for them to hate it" but personally, I've yet to show the series to anyone and have them get through the pilot without significant prodding.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#328: Aug 21st 2018 at 7:49:14 AM

[up] I have to disagree there. The first time I watched the series I happen to caught the cattle-run/witchhunt episode and I thought the whole show was terrible. When it dropped on Netflix I decided to gave it a second chance and just binge it...it's not that many episodes after all. And while it is not the most amazing pilot I have ever seen (frankly, there are only a few pilots I would consider great in the first place), it gave me a sense of the characters which made me more interested to watch more.

Properly introducing characters matters for a show like this. (The witchhunt episode is still my least favourite, though)

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#329: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:18:24 PM

The pilot is a LOT of exposition and infodumps.

Reavers, the Alliance, The Battle of Serenity Valley, River and Simon, and so on and so on.

If your attention span is not 100% focused on it, you won't be able to absorb everything.

I actually am with Fox's executives on Train Job that it's better just to get to Point B.

I.e. "These guys are space criminals, they do space crime, it's hilarious."

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#330: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:49:39 PM

It's relevant infodump, though. Hell, more or less all Pilots are Infodump, that is the very point of them.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#331: Aug 22nd 2018 at 5:25:50 PM

The best pilot episodes are the ones that feel breezy and get across all the character and premise introductions with as little dialogue as possible. Two of the best pilot episodes I've seen are for Arrested Development and My Name Is Earl, and it's probably no coincidence that they both had voice over narrators with flashbacks to move things along.

"Serenity" isn't the best pilot I've seen, as the show has a large cast and thus the introductions are exhausting and has just a lot of unrelated stuff going on, but Whedon's dialogue is as crisp as it always is.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#332: Aug 22nd 2018 at 11:05:13 PM

Plus it has, by television standards, some truly amazing setpieces. The Battle of Serenity Valley, and the trick to destroy the Reaver ship, are frickin' gold.

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