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DARTHYAN DARTHYAN from London
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Oct 11th 2011 at 11:13:30 PM

Science Fiction, like everything else that is created by Hollywood proper, lacks for people of color. Star Wars is supposed to hark back to the 1930s movie serials like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers, where adventurous (White) men saved the galaxy from evil tyrants (who were often thinly-veiled references to present-day foreign menaces) and queens (who spent more time trying to sleep with the hero than actually trying to conquer the galaxy). Despite a brief attempt of racial and gender inclusion by showrunners like Rod Serling and Gene Roddenberry, Sci-Fi has remained a mostly male and mainly white adventure, at least where the heroes are concerned.

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edited 11th Oct '11 11:14:48 PM by CommanderObvious

This level of trolling is reasonable for Commander Obvious. What do you think of this, everyone?
BorneAgain Trope on a Rope from Last House on the Right
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Oct 11th 2011 at 11:34:28 PM

Most of this appears to be bitching about plot points, but on the accusations of racism and sexism, I will say this.

-Lucas made James Earl Jones the voice because he was looking for a voice with a darker timbre. Keep in mind he considered using Orson Welles at one point so its not as if he had to make sure a black guy voiced him. Keep in mind he also heavily wanted Japanese star Toshirō Mifune as Obi-Wan but was vetoed by the studio.

-Various people of color and ethnicities were shown as pilots in ROTJ.

-People rescuing and "gaining" Leia is a complete misnomer. She wasn't helped in A New Hope because Han or Luke could somehow posses her; her position and knowledge were vital. She was a critical part of the Rebellion and was the only person who knew where the Rebel Base was. Replace her with a male "Prince Leroy" and its the same damn movie.

-At worst the overall casting suggests that the producers and casting directors (at least in 1976-1982) looked for the usual people and did not go out of their way to utilize various minorities for roles. Unfortunate perhaps, but hardly indicative of out and out racism by anyone.

edited 12th Oct '11 3:42:35 AM by BorneAgain

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Oct 11th 2011 at 11:45:13 PM

Oh my. The writer thinks Star Wars is racist because Darth Vader is voiced by a black man. Are you sure this isn't a parody?

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Oct 11th 2011 at 11:46:05 PM

I didn't read the blogs because I don't have the time to right now, but does he or she at any point consider that Lando is the one who blew up the second Death Star?

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DARTHYAN DARTHYAN from London
DARTHYAN
Oct 11th 2011 at 11:47:22 PM

sadly no. What about the other plot hole elements? I was curious to see what the reaction would be.

edited 11th Oct '11 11:54:01 PM by DARTHYAN

Gvzbgul from Middle Earth
Oct 12th 2011 at 12:33:52 AM

I would say, yes, it is. Because it is a George Lucas Throwback to 1940s Republic Serials. it plays it all straight the good and the unintentionally bad bits.

There's a difference between deliberate and unintentional racism etc. Bad, but not as bad.

edited 12th Oct '11 12:35:11 AM by Gvzbgul

Oct 12th 2011 at 12:37:48 AM

Not about race, but this amused me;

Obi-Wan’s boast to Vader about becoming more powerful in death was also pretty much idle talk, too. Obi-Wan does very little to assist Luke during the Death Star attack, and leaves Luke to his own devices anyhow. Now, if one is going to argue that the Force “told” Luke to fire the torpedoes when he did, was this Obi-Wan’s doing?

If so, then why did he not give the same “nudge” to Red Leader, who also lined up a shot and fired? Since Force Users can nudge non-Force users (except the Hutts), this should not have been a problem.

How about the fact that Luke Skywalker is a Jedi Knight in training? That is why only he is able to make the shot that destroys the death star. It's one of the major plot threads of the film, and the writer missed it completely. Unbelievable.

The writer has an extremely warped view of what constitutes racism;

And Star Wars is no exception to this rule. In fact, it would seem that Star Wars does everything it can to personify the White Hats vs. Black Hats ideal first found in old American western serials. Although the Stormtroopers wear white armor, nothing about this look would ever indicate that they are, indeed, the good guys. The rest of the Empire wears dark grey or black uniforms, and their evilness is personified in Darth Vader, who is cloaked in all Black, with a rather terrifying helmet.

It goes without saying that a voice should match that terror, and what better voice for a terrifying black-clad villain than a baritone Black man?

On the other side, since Leia is supposed to represent both caring Mother and virginal sanctity, she spends the entire movie decked out in white OR in a flowing gown.

All of these things are basic and primal. They also happen to be based on the bigoted teachings of American society from the moment we are born to the last breath we take on this planet.

Thus, once again, the racism on display is “coincidental.”

She tries to argue that the film is racist because the bad guys wear black and the good guys wear white. Even if you accept this ridiculous premise, it isn't even true - the friggin' stormtroopers wear white! And she acknowledges this, too - but basically says "nah, it doesn't count" because it doesn't support her point.

And that's not even getting into the fact that people don't view the colour black as a colour of evil because they're racist, it's because all living things have a primal fear of the darkness, as it represents the unknown. But as usual, it goes right over her head.

There's more examples of this, but I think that's enough.

edited 12th Oct '11 12:39:07 AM by Talby

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Oct 12th 2011 at 12:54:30 AM

Not having read the article, and not intending to, I'm going to go with my default response for these types of articles: the writer is trying to stir up shit to get page views.

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DARTHYAN DARTHYAN from London
DARTHYAN
Oct 12th 2011 at 9:29:52 AM

another thing that was confusing was the accusations of how the characters were immoral and the critique of plot elements. How legit are these?

jewelleddragon Also known as Katz from Pasadena, CA
Also known as Katz
Oct 12th 2011 at 9:44:36 AM

it plays it all straight the good and the unintentionally bad bits.

The great thing is that it often doesn't play straight the problematic bits. Leia gets captured by Jabba the Hut and held as a slave, like in an old serial, but then she kills him with her bare hands.

Oct 12th 2011 at 1:09:16 PM

Haven't read those links, but from experience 99 percent of those kinds of articles are just trying to gain a reputation of rocking the boat. It really has nothing to do with Star Wars but just targeting a popular franchise and getting people to argue with the author so they can say they have something of a fandom. 15 minutes of fame.

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Oct 12th 2011 at 2:59:54 PM

(reads articles)

Sigh... My brain can't repel stupidity of this magnitude....

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terlwyth Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Oct 12th 2011 at 5:27:52 PM

Of course it promotes racism and sexism,so does Thelma And Louise,The Jungle Book,and for that matter,......anything written.

Gotta love how the prequels are left out of this to,can't wait to see what the analysis of Watto,Jar-Jar,Gunray,Mace Windu,Tyranus,and Padme end up as.

I mean since it's all racist,sexist,homophobic,and other crap to some extent anyway when clearly that isn't the main point,...well it's gotta be a good read

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Oct 12th 2011 at 6:17:28 PM

Excuse me while I write an essay on Christian symbolism in Superfriends.

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Oct 13th 2011 at 6:03:42 AM

—yawn— if it is racist or sexist, it is because it's a product of its times, and hollywood standards. Nothing to do with...the colors they are wearing.

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RavenWilder Raven Wilder
Raven Wilder
Oct 13th 2011 at 6:05:50 AM

They're still better than the essay that said Star Wars is racist/classist because being able to use the Force is genetic.

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Tyyrlym Jerk from Normandy SR-2
Jerk
Oct 13th 2011 at 6:06:13 AM

Yeah, really racist to make the most awesome character in the films a black man.

Who does my little boy want to be? Han? No. Luke? Fuck no. My little boy wants to be Darth Vader. When we saw James Earl Jones in something else and I pointed him out did it bother my kid he was black? Nope. He just wanted to know where his lightsaber was and why he wasn't force choking a bitch.

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Oct 13th 2011 at 6:44:25 AM

I'm not even sure if the black-and-white color coding could possibly be associated with race on such a basic, instinctual level. I mean, we call black people "black", and white people "white", but in the end, we're all just varying shades of orange.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
Oct 13th 2011 at 7:41:25 AM

this kinda reminds me of the blog/livejournal which did analyze firefly as womanhating (and racist).

Which seems to be about the same level in sheer inanity.

Better I do not read her Trek Reviews (or the mass of other filmes she seems to hate)...but pure Bile Fascination brings me to Superman/Batman:Apocalypse

edited 13th Oct '11 7:47:45 AM by 3of4

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DARTHYAN DARTHYAN from London
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Oct 13th 2011 at 8:16:59 AM

One thing that really stood out was her saying that Leia should have just told the bad guys what she wanted and that she was stupid for not seeing that Tarkin would threaten to blow up Alderaan.

Oct 13th 2011 at 10:59:03 AM

[up]Maybe the wording is throwing me off, but that doesn't make much sense. Doesn't she lie to Tarkin and say the rebels are on Dantooine when they're really on Yavin IV?

And why would she be stupid to think he wouldn't blow up Alderaan? Yeah, he was a bad guy, but it's not unreasonable for her to have believed he wasn't a complete monster before that moment.

jewelleddragon Also known as Katz from Pasadena, CA
Also known as Katz
Oct 13th 2011 at 11:10:26 AM

[up][up]Also, what was she supposed to do? Whether or not she thought he would blow up Alderaan, she couldn't stop him.

Oct 13th 2011 at 11:23:30 AM

It's not even a case where Leia could have saved Alderaan by cooperating with Tarkin. He destroyed the planet even when he thought she'd told him the truth about Dantooine, and had probably been intending to do it even before he dragged her up there so he could make his point to her and the galaxy about the cost of defying the Empire. If she had given in, he'd have just been able to make it to Yavin IV and destroy the base there, too. I have no idea why anyone would think that cooperating with Tarkin was at all a good choice in that scenario.

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Vox
Oct 14th 2011 at 2:05:50 PM

I can't bring myself to read those. Is it ever touched upon that the Empire is a barely veiled dig at Nazi Germany, including the design of Vader's helmet?

edited 14th Oct '11 2:07:10 PM by Vox


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