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In an effort to keep the volume of threads in IP at a reasonable level, and to encourage creating threads that address genuine problems, we need to make some notes about when to request a thread and what constitutes valid reasons for a thread. These have been mentioned in some of the other IP procedure threads, but they're being listed here for quick reference.

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    Approval of threads 
New IP threads must be approved by the staff before they will be opened. Please take time to review the guidelines below and make sure your request is solid before submitting it.

    General notes on adding/changing images and requesting threads 
  • IP isn't obligatory, but it is strongly recommended. Otherwise, the image you put up may end up coming to the forum for work or replacement.
  • Pages that have gone through IP should have a commented-out tag showing the relevant thread(s). Always check for these before adding a pic or requesting an IP thread for a page.
  • Keep the quality criteria listed below in mind when making an image suggestion.
  • For pages without pics:
    • Work pages generally don't require an IP thread to upload a pic, but feel free to start a thread if you have multiple ideas or use the Image Suggestion thread to float single ideas.
    • Please have a concrete suggestion for a trope page. This is relaxed a bit for tropes that are fresh out of TLP, when a pic idea might not have surfaced during the build process.
  • A thread requested within two weeks of the closing of a previous thread on the same page that doesn't have a concrete suggestion will be denied immediately.
  • Animated GIFs aren't allowed as page pics. True Art Is Incomprehensible is the one exception, per admin fiat.note 
  • It usually takes 5-7 [tup] votes for a pic to be considered to have consensus in a thread. In crowners, a 2:1 ratio is considered the bare minimum for consensus, with 1.86:1 as a "only considered if that's the best and other options are less than that" level.

    IP thread reasons 
The following are reasons to instantly pull an image and make a request to replace it:

  • Not Safe For Work (NSFW)
    • If you're unsure on whether a pic fits this or not, comment it out or ask before outright pulling it.
    • Classic works of art containing nudity, such as Michelangelo's David or Botticelli's The Birth of Venus, don't necessarily fall into this, but appropriateness for the page in question is the key factor, and SFW options should be considered whenever possible.
  • Spoiler
  • Watermarking. A TV channel emblem on a screencap is a "bug", not a true watermark, and is permissible as long as it's not obtrusive.
  • Meme-based images are not permitted as page pics. The sole general exception is a work's Memes page, where they should only be considered if there are no better options.Other exceptions 
  • Copyright issues:
    • The pic implies TV Tropes is claiming the copyright.
    • The pic has been taken from a site that deals in copyrighted images or videos, especially if a watermark has been removed and/or the site is selling their content. Screencaps from videos from these sites are not permitted, either.
    • Using an entire work:
      • Basically, if it's copyrighted, we have to get permission to use it. This covers single-panel cartoons, photographs, entire comic strips and webcomics, and similar works. If permission is granted to use a work, it's always noted on the page in some fashion, usually in the caption and/or with the page tag. If an artist requests a specific way to display their connection to the pic, we'll do our best to honor it.
      • Some artists, such as xkcd's creator, have given us carte blanche to use entire works as needed. Permission notices for such cases aren't required.
      • Entire cards from card-based games like Magic: The Gathering are impractical but can be used. Using the art from these cards is fine.
      • Any such work that's in the public domain is free to use.
    • Some creators do not want their work used outside their control at all, but fair use means that we are not legally bound to honor this for the wiki's purposes, aside from the aforementioned restrictions. We'll honor a take-down request, but it's up to them to send it. We're not obliged to chase them down and ask them what their policy is. Fair use also allows us to use excerpts of works without seeking permission. In this case, the minimum needed to get the trope across should be used.

The following are valid general reasons to request a thread:

  • Single suggestions for a page without a pic. These are currently being filtered through the Image Suggestion thread instead of getting their own threads right off the bat. Those that don't end up on a page will have threads created to try to find a pic.
  • The current pic doesn't adequately demonstrate the trope. Examples of this include:
    • Just a Face and a Caption (JAFAAC)—the pic shows an example of the trope but relies on familiarity with its subject(s) to make the connection to the trope evident.
    • A pic that is nothing but text, or one where the text overwhelms the imagery. You may see "might as well be a page quote" used in IP to describe this. There are exceptions (Spoof Aesop, for example), especially for dialogue-based tropes, but generally we want to have actual images as page pics with just enough text to support the expression of the trope.
  • Poor image quality. Graininess, motion blur, and artifactingnote  are three of the most common problems.
Oversized pics are forced by the page coding to 350 px width, which can make the image look artifacted. Check the image's properties before starting a thread; if it can be downsized and replaced, it may not need a thread.
  • The current pic is over the 350 px size limit and you'd like to suggest a new pic rather than upload a resized version.
  • Fan-art on a work page instead of an image from the work itself.
  • The current pic is overly fanservicey, especially in the Creator/ namespace. In the case of Fanservice tropes, pics should be as low-key as possible while still getting the trope across.
  • Two trope pages have the same pic. A work and trope can have the same image but it's preferred that they be separate.
  • You believe you have a suggestion that better illustrates the trope than the current pic (by Image Pickin' standards, not "This is a cooler pic.")
  • A pic has been changed or removed from a page for a reason that may not be valid, or no reason at all, especially if the pic was chosen by a previous IP thread.
  • A page marked as No Real Life Examples, Please! has a Real Life pic.Exceptions 
  • A YMMV or Audience Reaction page has a pic that is not In-Universe.Exceptions 
  • A page has an unusual image arrangement not chosen by an IP thread and you don't think it works well, e.g. having two images on a trope page. Some pages have multiple pics for a reason (Our Orcs Are Different, for example) so check for an IP tag before starting a thread in this case.

The following are NOT valid reasons to request a thread:

  • Not liking the art style, layout/design, or any Photoshopping or similar alterations that may have been made, provided they don't impact the pic's quality.
  • Claiming that a particular work is over-/under-represented. This can have some impact on deciding on a pic, but should never be the main gist of a thread.
  • Trying to argue that a pic you liked wasn't chosen in a previous thread, especially if it lost in a crowner, or trying to make an invalid argument that a pic doesn't work for a page even though it was chosen by a thread. Repeatedly doing this is grounds for suspension from the workshop forums.
  • Some trope pages feature Visual Puns or other jokey pics rather than something that actually demonstrates the trope, usually because these pages have been very hard to find a better pic for.Examples  Don't request a thread just because you don't like the joke; if you've got an actual example, that's fine. Also, see the "Don't change the pic" note in the next section.

    Special cases 
Some pages' pics have a unique status that must be noted before making a thread about them. This should be made clear in a commented-out tag on the page.

Edited by Willbyr on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:01:06 AM

Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Dec 6th 2018 at 6:30:30 AM

I thought we'd chosen that pic in an IP thread, but I didn't see a tag.

Resize || IP Morgue || My dA page
Pichu-kun ...
Dec 7th 2018 at 5:13:05 AM

I couldn't find a thread for image captions so I'll post this here.

There was a caption added to Implausible Hair Color a few days ago, but I don't think the caption works. Should it be deleted?

Edited by Pichu-kun on Dec 8th 2018 at 8:40:53 AM

Karxrida Easy as 1-2-3 from Darkness within Darkness
Easy as 1-2-3
Dec 8th 2018 at 7:22:59 PM

The image for VideoGame.Super Smash Bros has been changed again.

Messaged the culprit.

Edited by Karxrida on Dec 8th 2018 at 7:36:53 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with? [1]
rjd1922 Pantalord from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Dec 8th 2018 at 7:47:57 PM

[up] Reverted it.

I stole your heart, so now I'm satisfied.
Piterpicher We have 99% of 11605 Video Game articles. from TV Tropes XIV Relationship Status: All is for my lord
We have 99% of 11605 Video Game articles.
Dec 9th 2018 at 2:14:32 AM

We will probably need to keep the fourth game logo, since the Ultimate logo looks bad in Night Vision. It's up to date, but too dark. I'll try to update the comment so people stop changing, hopefully.

Edited by Piterpicher on Dec 9th 2018 at 11:18:19 AM

Little by little, we keep getting better. But I hope that we'll get better in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s works departament.
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Dec 9th 2018 at 1:21:30 PM

[up]^4 - The caption thread is here. I’d nuke that caption.

Resize || IP Morgue || My dA page
rjd1922 Pantalord from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Dec 9th 2018 at 6:51:02 PM

[up]I think it's funny.

I stole your heart, so now I'm satisfied.