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In an effort to keep the volume of threads in IP at a reasonable level, and to encourage creating threads that address genuine problems, we need to make some notes about when to request a thread and what constitutes valid reasons for a thread. These have been mentioned in some of the other IP procedure threads, but they're being listed here for quick reference.

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    Approval of threads 
New IP threads must be approved by the staff before they will be opened. Please take time to review the guidelines below and make sure your request is solid before submitting it.

    General notes on adding/changing images and requesting threads 
  • IP isn't obligatory, but it is strongly recommended. Otherwise, the image you put up may end up coming to the forum for work or replacement.
  • Pages that have gone through IP should have a commented-out tag showing the relevant thread(s). Always check for these before adding a pic or requesting an IP thread for a page.
  • Keep the quality criteria listed below in mind when making an image suggestion.
  • For pages without pics:
    • Work pages generally don't require an IP thread to upload a pic, but feel free to start a thread if you have multiple ideas or use the Image Suggestion thread to float single ideas.
    • Please have a concrete suggestion for a trope page. This is relaxed a bit for tropes that are fresh out of TLP, when a pic idea might not have surfaced during the build process.
  • A thread requested within two weeks of the closing of a previous thread on the same page that doesn't have a concrete suggestion will be denied immediately.
  • Animated GIFs aren't allowed as page pics. True Art Is Incomprehensible is the one exception, per admin fiat.note 
  • It usually takes 5-7 [tup] votes for a pic to be considered to have consensus in a thread. In crowners, a 2:1 ratio is considered the bare minimum for consensus, with 1.86:1 as a "only considered if that's the best and other options are less than that" level.

    IP thread reasons 
The following are reasons to instantly pull an image and make a request to replace it:

  • Not Safe For Work (NSFW)
    • If you're unsure on whether a pic fits this or not, comment it out or ask before outright pulling it.
    • Classic works of art containing nudity, such as Michelangelo's David or Botticelli's The Birth of Venus, don't necessarily fall into this, but appropriateness for the page in question is the key factor, and SFW options should be considered whenever possible.
  • Spoiler
  • Watermarking. A TV channel emblem on a screencap is a "bug", not a true watermark, and is permissible as long as it's not obtrusive.
  • Meme-based images are not permitted as page pics. The sole general exception is a work's Memes page, where they should only be considered if there are no better options.Other exceptions 
  • Copyright issues:
    • The pic implies TV Tropes is claiming the copyright.
    • The pic has been taken from a site that deals in copyrighted images or videos, especially if a watermark has been removed and/or the site is selling their content. Screencaps from videos from these sites are not permitted, either.
    • Using an entire work:
      • Basically, if it's copyrighted, we have to get permission to use it. This covers single-panel cartoons, photographs, entire comic strips and webcomics, and similar works. If permission is granted to use a work, it's always noted on the page in some fashion, usually in the caption and/or with the page tag. If an artist requests a specific way to display their connection to the pic, we'll do our best to honor it.
      • Some artists, such as xkcd's creator, have given us carte blanche to use entire works as needed. Permission notices for such cases aren't required.
      • Entire cards from card-based games like Magic: The Gathering are impractical but can be used. Using the art from these cards is fine.
      • Any such work that's in the public domain is free to use.
    • Some creators do not want their work used outside their control at all, but fair use means that we are not legally bound to honor this for the wiki's purposes, aside from the aforementioned restrictions. We'll honor a take-down request, but it's up to them to send it. We're not obliged to chase them down and ask them what their policy is. Fair use also allows us to use excerpts of works without seeking permission. In this case, the minimum needed to get the trope across should be used.

The following are valid general reasons to request a thread:

  • Single suggestions for a page without a pic. These are currently being filtered through the Image Suggestion thread instead of getting their own threads right off the bat. Those that don't end up on a page will have threads created to try to find a pic.
  • The current pic doesn't adequately demonstrate the trope. Examples of this include:
    • Just a Face and a Caption (JAFAAC)—the pic shows an example of the trope but relies on familiarity with its subject(s) to make the connection to the trope evident.
    • A pic that is nothing but text, or one where the text overwhelms the imagery. You may see "might as well be a page quote" used in IP to describe this. There are exceptions (Spoof Aesop, for example), especially for dialogue-based tropes, but generally we want to have actual images as page pics with just enough text to support the expression of the trope.
  • Poor image quality. Graininess, motion blur, and artifactingnote  are three of the most common problems.
Oversized pics are forced by the page coding to 350 px width, which can make the image look artifacted. Check the image's properties before starting a thread; if it can be downsized and replaced, it may not need a thread.
  • The current pic is over the 350 px size limit and you'd like to suggest a new pic rather than upload a resized version.
  • Fan-art on a work page instead of an image from the work itself.
  • The current pic is overly fanservicey, especially in the Creator/ namespace. In the case of Fanservice tropes, pics should be as low-key as possible while still getting the trope across.
  • Two trope pages have the same pic. A work and trope can have the same image but it's preferred that they be separate.
  • You believe you have a suggestion that better illustrates the trope than the current pic (by Image Pickin' standards, not "This is a cooler pic.")
  • A pic has been changed or removed from a page for a reason that may not be valid, or no reason at all, especially if the pic was chosen by a previous IP thread.
  • A page marked as No Real Life Examples, Please! has a Real Life pic.Exceptions 
  • A YMMV or Audience Reaction page has a pic that is not In-Universe.Exceptions 
  • A page has an unusual image arrangement not chosen by an IP thread and you don't think it works well, e.g. having two images on a trope page. Some pages have multiple pics for a reason (Our Orcs Are Different, for example) so check for an IP tag before starting a thread in this case.

The following are NOT valid reasons to request a thread:

  • Not liking the art style, layout/design, or any Photoshopping or similar alterations that may have been made, provided they don't impact the pic's quality.
  • Claiming that a particular work is over-/under-represented. This can have some impact on deciding on a pic, but should never be the main gist of a thread.
  • Trying to argue that a pic you liked wasn't chosen in a previous thread, especially if it lost in a crowner, or trying to make an invalid argument that a pic doesn't work for a page even though it was chosen by a thread. Repeatedly doing this is grounds for suspension from the workshop forums.
  • Some trope pages feature Visual Puns or other jokey pics rather than something that actually demonstrates the trope, usually because these pages have been very hard to find a better pic for.Examples  Don't request a thread just because you don't like the joke; if you've got an actual example, that's fine. Also, see the "Don't change the pic" note in the next section.

    Special cases 
Some pages' pics have a unique status that must be noted before making a thread about them. This should be made clear in a commented-out tag on the page.

Edited by Willbyr on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:01:06 AM

Nov 24th 2018 at 8:50:53 AM

[up] The character being kicked is The Scrappy of this game, so this scene where Shadow stops time just to roundhouse kick him in the back of the head is hilarious to a lot of people.

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Karxrida Icon by anopuff from Darkness within Darkness
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Nov 24th 2018 at 1:47:55 PM

That pic is bad and it should feel bad.

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WarJay77 from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Nov 25th 2018 at 9:01:27 PM

Edit: Never mind, answered my own question...

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 25th 2018 at 12:02:35 PM

Jester_Punslinger The man in the sedan with no plan. from Somewhere in time. Relationship Status: Non-Canon
The man in the sedan with no plan.
Nov 27th 2018 at 6:52:59 PM

The page image for Decapitation Presentation has a signature on it, are we allowed to use that image? (Posting here instead of making a thread just in case).

Just started out and I'm drowning in a sea/zee of tropes/rules/admin/Tribbles. Send help! or a TV trope guide for dummies...
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Nov 27th 2018 at 9:03:13 PM

[up] Not sure. Here's an alternate suggestion:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rsz_1gladiatorhead.png
"They say 'no'."

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bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Nov 28th 2018 at 6:52:26 AM

[up] Too dark.

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
Lymantria "Mordor!" from Toronto Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
"Mordor!"
Nov 28th 2018 at 1:33:19 PM

Is any image with a signature (even if it's a public domain painting?) not allowed? A signature doesn't mean it's a stock photo, or a single-panel cartoon. Speaking of which...

Why are single-panel comics not allowed? The Other Wiki doesn't have any such rule last time I checked, and they should know. Is it less fair use than using an entire movie poster on the movie's page?

Edited by Lymantria on Nov 28th 2018 at 4:44:34 AM

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Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Nov 28th 2018 at 2:14:54 PM

[up] We can't use the entirety of an explicitly copyrighted work, which a published single-panel cartoon usually falls into, as it's a violation of fair use.

I wouldn't say that it's absolutely verboten to use an image with a signature, but it's always best to avoid potential copyright issues or the possibility of a takedown request.

Edited by Willbyr on Nov 28th 2018 at 4:17:48 AM

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Lymantria "Mordor!" from Toronto Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
"Mordor!"
Dec 2nd 2018 at 8:33:22 AM

We use "copyrighted" to mean an image that's not fair use, even though most of our images are copyrighted; fair use by definition is allowed use of something copyrighted. So people think any image with a copyright sign isn't okay. And if we do get a takedown request, we shouldn't just go along with it, I hate when people do that. What if we got a takedown request for an old public domain image? I don't like when people act like everything is copyrighted, either, which I've seen done on this site.

You haven't addressed why, if using a single-panel comic isn't fair use, why I've never heard of such a rule anywhere outside this site (on The Other Wiki or elsewhere).

(Yeah...copyright is complicated. I've only scratched the surface.)

Edited by Lymantria on Dec 2nd 2018 at 11:36:03 AM

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Karxrida Icon by anopuff from Darkness within Darkness
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Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:15:32 AM

So an ATT thread brought my attention to the image for What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?, which has had 4 threads and a note stating to not make a new thread without a replacement image.

I frankly think the current needs to be pulled regardless of whether or not it's replaced. It's difficult to identify the DVD as a hentai show when viewing the page on mobile, which leaves to major dependence on a heavily potholed caption and/or pre-existing knowledge of the show. The image quality also seems a tad shoddy.

Edited by Karxrida on Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:19:51 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with? [1]
Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:34:59 AM

And if we do get a takedown request, we shouldn't just go along with it, I hate when people do that.

The pinned note at the top of this thread says we're not obligated to honor takedown requests for images that fall within fair use. It's just being courteous, and it's not like this happens particularly often, as far as I know.

What if we got a takedown request for an old public domain image?

This is a ridiculous argument, and it's clear you're just looking for things to complain about. The vast majority of public domain images are either deliberately put there at the time of their creation, or are 96+ years old. Who's going to request a takedown for those? Besides, in the case that we did get a takedown request, well, just don't honor it.

You haven't addressed why, if using a single-panel comic isn't fair use, why I've never heard of such a rule anywhere outside this site (on The Other Wiki or elsewhere).

There's probably lots of rules you don't know about, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

It's not some unique rule that only applies to single-panel comics; fair use does not cover using the entirety (or a significantly large portion) of a work without permission, which single-panel comics are.

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Lymantria "Mordor!" from Toronto Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
"Mordor!"
Dec 2nd 2018 at 12:55:34 PM

I thought the header said we'd honour a take-down request even if it was for a fair use image? I might've misread it.

Also, you haven't addressed why a whole movie poster is okay but a whole comic strip isn't. (I'm not saying every single entire poster on this site should be removed, I'm just asking).

But yeah, I don't actually know if our single-panel cartoon rule is correct or not. As I said copyright is complicated...

Edited by Lymantria on Dec 2nd 2018 at 3:58:13 PM

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Dec 2nd 2018 at 1:29:34 PM

I thought the header said we'd honour a take-down request even if it was for a fair use image? I might've misread it.

The section in question, emphasis mine:

Some creators do not want their work used outside their control at all, but fair use means that we are not legally bound to honor this for the wiki's purposes, aside from the aforementioned restrictions. We'll honor a take-down request, but it's up to them to send it.

Like I said, it's just courtesy to honor these kind of take-down requests. No need to burn bridges over something so trivial.

Also, you haven't addressed why a whole movie poster is okay but a whole comic strip isn't. (I'm not saying every single entire poster on this site should be removed, I'm just asking).

A movie poster is not a work. You can't substitute watching Infinity War with just looking at its poster, which is just a piece of promotional material, designed to get you interested in the work.

A single-panel comic is the entire work, there's nothing else to see. No reason to look up the work since you've already seen it.

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Lymantria "Mordor!" from Toronto Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
"Mordor!"
Dec 2nd 2018 at 1:53:30 PM

[up]The thing about comic strips vs movie posters makes sense.

Sorry If I wasted everyone's time, I was just asking a few questions. Using the word "copyrighted" as if it meant "unusable", when in fact most of our images are copyrighted, is still wrong though. And if people want no uses of their work without permission, they need to understand copyright law better.

[down] Yes, it most definitely is.

Edited by Lymantria on Dec 9th 2018 at 6:08:43 AM

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Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Dec 3rd 2018 at 4:15:53 AM

[up] No trouble, this is always a sticky topic. [tup]

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:49:33 AM

[up][up] Sorry if I came off as rude in my responses, I didn't mean to be.

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rjd1922 Ultimate Memelord from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Ultimate Memelord
Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:44:57 AM

Who drew the pic on My Immortal (bigger version here)? It has a signature, but I can't read it.

Edited by rjd1922 on Dec 3rd 2018 at 12:50:59 PM

I stole your heart, so now I'm satisfied.
Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:34:23 PM

Can we place images on Shout-Out pages?

Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:49:04 PM

[up] That shouldn't be a problem.

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rjd1922 Ultimate Memelord from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Ultimate Memelord
Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:35:40 PM

[up] My Immortal is locked, so could a mod add a Caption crediting the artist with that link?

I stole your heart, so now I'm satisfied.
Jester_Punslinger The man in the sedan with no plan. from Somewhere in time. Relationship Status: Non-Canon
The man in the sedan with no plan.
Dec 4th 2018 at 4:00:34 PM

Someone has changed the image for Femme Fatalons from The Wizard of Oz to a different image that has no link.

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Karxrida Icon by anopuff from Darkness within Darkness
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Dec 4th 2018 at 4:25:47 PM

Looks like Twilight. I think?

Regardless, I don't like it.

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Dec 4th 2018 at 4:41:51 PM

It's Drusilla, either from Buffy or Angel, not sure which.

New image isn't very good, but the old image wasn't much better.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Oz_the_Great_and_Powerful_wicked_nails_1510.jpg

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