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In an effort to keep the volume of threads in IP at a reasonable level, and to encourage creating threads that address genuine problems, we need to make some notes about when to request a thread and what constitutes valid reasons for a thread. These have been mentioned in some of the other IP procedure threads, but they're being listed here for quick reference.

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    Approval of threads 
New IP threads must be approved by the staff before they will be opened. Please take time to review the guidelines below and make sure your request is solid before submitting it.

    General notes on adding/changing images and requesting threads 
  • IP isn't obligatory, but it is strongly recommended. Otherwise, the image you put up may end up coming to the forum for work or replacement.
  • Pages that have gone through IP should have a commented-out tag showing the relevant thread(s). Always check for these before adding a pic or requesting an IP thread for a page.
  • Keep the quality criteria listed below in mind when making an image suggestion.
  • For pages without pics:
    • Work pages generally don't require an IP thread to upload a pic, but feel free to start a thread if you have multiple ideas or use the Image Suggestion thread to float single ideas.
    • Please have a concrete suggestion for a trope page. This is relaxed a bit for tropes that are fresh out of TLP, when a pic idea might not have surfaced during the build process.
  • A thread requested within two weeks of the closing of a previous thread on the same page that doesn't have a concrete suggestion will be denied immediately.
  • Animated GIFs aren't allowed as page pics. True Art Is Incomprehensible is the one exception, per admin fiat.note 
  • It usually takes 5-7 [tup] votes for a pic to be considered to have consensus in a thread. In crowners, a 2:1 ratio is considered the bare minimum for consensus, with 1.86:1 as a "only considered if that's the best and other options are less than that" level.

    IP thread reasons 
The following are reasons to instantly pull an image and make a request to replace it:

  • Not Safe For Work (NSFW)
    • If you're unsure on whether a pic fits this or not, comment it out or ask before outright pulling it.
    • Classic works of art containing nudity, such as Michelangelo's David or Botticelli's The Birth of Venus, don't necessarily fall into this, but appropriateness for the page in question is the key factor, and SFW options should be considered whenever possible.
  • Spoiler
  • Watermarking. A TV channel emblem on a screencap is a "bug", not a true watermark, and is permissible as long as it's not obtrusive.
  • Meme-based images are not permitted as page pics. The sole general exception is a work's Memes page, where they should only be considered if there are no better options.Other exceptions 
  • Copyright issues:
    • The pic implies TV Tropes is claiming the copyright.
    • The pic has been taken from a site that deals in copyrighted images or videos, especially if a watermark has been removed and/or the site is selling their content. Screencaps from videos from these sites are not permitted, either.
    • Using an entire work:
      • Basically, if it's copyrighted, we have to get permission to use it. This covers single-panel cartoons, photographs, entire comic strips and webcomics, and similar works. If permission is granted to use a work, it's always noted on the page in some fashion, usually in the caption and/or with the page tag. If an artist requests a specific way to display their connection to the pic, we'll do our best to honor it.
      • Some artists, such as xkcd's creator, have given us carte blanche to use entire works as needed. Permission notices for such cases aren't required.
      • Entire cards from card-based games like Magic: The Gathering are impractical but can be used. Using the art from these cards is fine.
      • Any such work that's in the public domain is free to use.
    • Some creators do not want their work used outside their control at all, but fair use means that we are not legally bound to honor this for the wiki's purposes, aside from the aforementioned restrictions. We'll honor a take-down request, but it's up to them to send it. We're not obliged to chase them down and ask them what their policy is. Fair use also allows us to use excerpts of works without seeking permission. In this case, the minimum needed to get the trope across should be used.

The following are valid general reasons to request a thread:

  • Single suggestions for a page without a pic. These are currently being filtered through the Image Suggestion thread instead of getting their own threads right off the bat. Those that don't end up on a page will have threads created to try to find a pic.
  • The current pic doesn't adequately demonstrate the trope. Examples of this include:
    • Just a Face and a Caption (JAFAAC)—the pic shows an example of the trope but relies on familiarity with its subject(s) to make the connection to the trope evident.
    • A pic that is nothing but text, or one where the text overwhelms the imagery. You may see "might as well be a page quote" used in IP to describe this. There are exceptions (Spoof Aesop, for example), especially for dialogue-based tropes, but generally we want to have actual images as page pics with just enough text to support the expression of the trope.
  • Poor image quality. Graininess, motion blur, and artifactingnote  are three of the most common problems.
Oversized pics are forced by the page coding to 350 px width, which can make the image look artifacted. Check the image's properties before starting a thread; if it can be downsized and replaced, it may not need a thread.
  • The current pic is over the 350 px size limit and you'd like to suggest a new pic rather than upload a resized version.
  • Fan-art on a work page instead of an image from the work itself.
  • The current pic is overly fanservicey, especially in the Creator/ namespace. In the case of Fanservice tropes, pics should be as low-key as possible while still getting the trope across.
  • Two trope pages have the same pic. A work and trope can have the same image but it's preferred that they be separate.
  • You believe you have a suggestion that better illustrates the trope than the current pic (by Image Pickin' standards, not "This is a cooler pic.")
  • A pic has been changed or removed from a page for a reason that may not be valid, or no reason at all, especially if the pic was chosen by a previous IP thread.
  • A page marked as No Real Life Examples, Please! has a Real Life pic.Exceptions 
  • A YMMV or Audience Reaction page has a pic that is not In-Universe.Exceptions 
  • A page has an unusual image arrangement not chosen by an IP thread and you don't think it works well, e.g. having two images on a trope page. Some pages have multiple pics for a reason (Our Orcs Are Different, for example) so check for an IP tag before starting a thread in this case.

The following are NOT valid reasons to request a thread:

  • Not liking the art style, layout/design, or any Photoshopping or similar alterations that may have been made, provided they don't impact the pic's quality.
  • Claiming that a particular work is over-/under-represented. This can have some impact on deciding on a pic, but should never be the main gist of a thread.
  • Trying to argue that a pic you liked wasn't chosen in a previous thread, especially if it lost in a crowner, or trying to make an invalid argument that a pic doesn't work for a page even though it was chosen by a thread. Repeatedly doing this is grounds for suspension from the workshop forums.
  • Some trope pages feature Visual Puns or other jokey pics rather than something that actually demonstrates the trope, usually because these pages have been very hard to find a better pic for.Examples  Don't request a thread just because you don't like the joke; if you've got an actual example, that's fine. Also, see the "Don't change the pic" note in the next section.

    Special cases 
Some pages' pics have a unique status that must be noted before making a thread about them. This should be made clear in a commented-out tag on the page.

Edited by Willbyr on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:01:06 AM

Jan 1st 2012 at 8:07:08 AM

[up]The objections weren't raised until well after the pull was done; aside from being a little quick(within twenty-four hours), everything was done according to procedure.

Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jan 1st 2012 at 8:33:32 AM

That pull wasn't unreasonable. The statement was that it was JAFAAC, there were five posts agreeing with that assessment, and no objections when it was pulled. After it was pulled and replaced and repulled, there were 2 more posts in agreement that it's JAFAAC, against two people saying "No it's good. That's 8 to 2 — a strong consensus.

JAFAAC doesn't mean "it's a poor example", it means "There's nothing in the image to illustrate the trope except the caption telling you that it is an example." In this case, the fact that the caption was linked to the character description doesn't absolve it of putting all the information that you need to know it's an example in the caption, nor does the fact that the caption subtly told you Desire is a hermaphrodite. Quite the opposite — both of those underline that all the necessary information to know that Desire is a hermaphodite is in the caption, not the image.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Jan 17th 2012 at 10:27:20 AM

I added in a note about creators who don't want their work used online, per the recent discussions about Gary Larson.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Jan 19th 2012 at 1:14:08 PM

I thought copyright issues were an instant pull, for legal reasons?

Special trousers. Very heroic.
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Jan 19th 2012 at 1:15:41 PM

[up] Watermarks are a definite pull; with copyright stuff, we can try to rework the pic to take care of the issue...if it can't be done, then we find something else.

edited 19th Jan '12 1:16:29 PM by Willbyr

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JapaneseTeeth -intrigued- from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
-intrigued-
Jan 19th 2012 at 1:45:16 PM

Well, in the case of stuff like using the entirety of a single panel comic where cropping isn't an option, I think it's still an instapull.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Jan 19th 2012 at 2:00:06 PM

"AFAAC doesn't mean "it's a poor example", it means "There's nothing in the image to illustrate the trope except the caption telling you that it is an example.""

Incidentally, if that last part isn't in the description for the JAFAAC page, it should be.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Jan 19th 2012 at 3:50:34 PM

Once again, why do the criteria need to spell out one specific trope to be exempt from the "no memes" image guideline?

It's just clutter here, and I don't see any particular reason why that one page has a greater need for a meme image than anything else in the wiki.

Special trousers. Very heroic.
FinalStarman from Clinton, Massachusetts
Jan 19th 2012 at 4:24:15 PM

[up] Well, people won't just zap that image for being a meme.

I'm not crazy, I just don't give a darn!
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Jan 19th 2012 at 8:16:06 PM

[up][up] Mainly because that pic was chosen in an IP thread, and because Eddie hasn't (to my knowledge) definitely said that that one's got to go along with all the others.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Jan 20th 2012 at 5:23:59 AM

[up] Yes, but we've also had other meme images chosen in IP threads, and they've since been changed to something else. Eddie said "no meme pics"; he didn't say "no meme pics except if people want to use one anyway".

Special trousers. Very heroic.
LordGro from Germany
Feb 7th 2012 at 1:05:14 PM

I've got a question that relates tangentially to the topic of this thread: What's the right way to go about it if you have an image suggestion for a page that hitherto has no image?

I know I could just go ahead and add it, but wouldn't it be a good idea to have a sticky thread where suggestions for image-less trope pages can be submitted, to get some feedback from fellow tropers first?

Let's just say and leave it at that.
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Feb 7th 2012 at 1:32:33 PM

[up] You can always start a new thread for a page that doesn't have an image, particularly if you've got something you'd like to suggest.

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LordGro from Germany
Feb 7th 2012 at 1:46:45 PM

OK, but let me get this straight — when suggesting images, do we have to make a new IP thread for every page that doesn't have or hasn't had an image before?

Let's just say and leave it at that.
ShadowHog from Earth Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
Feb 7th 2012 at 2:12:32 PM

[up] As I understand it, no, you don't have to make an IP thread at all for an imageless page. You're entirely welcome to, especially if you're unsure about whatever image you're putting up.

Moon
LordGro from Germany
Feb 7th 2012 at 2:44:57 PM

Okay, thanks for the info. I'll make a thread.

Let's just say and leave it at that.
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Feb 7th 2012 at 4:57:25 PM

[up][up] Exactly; it's not a requirement but it can be helpful.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Feb 7th 2012 at 4:59:46 PM

When in doubt, make a thread. It's not like more opinions and suggestions are bad.

Fight smart, not fair.
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Feb 12th 2012 at 11:05:01 AM

According to the new policy, you must prove that an image is JAFAAC before starting a new thread.

...how exactly are you supposed to prove that, beyond it simply being obvious from the image?

Special trousers. Very heroic.
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Feb 12th 2012 at 3:02:47 PM

Spark: The new policy is for TRS. Not IP.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
troacctid "µ." from California
Feb 12th 2012 at 6:06:12 PM

Eddie's thread-creation message extended it to Image Pickin' as well.

An opening post in Troper Repair Shop and Image Pickin' must contain evidence of something being broken. The post must show, for example, that a name is leading to misuse or that an image is just a face and a caption.

If the opening post does not contain this evidence, it will be nuked on sight. Please holler if you see one that needs nuking.

edited 12th Feb '12 6:06:47 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Feb 12th 2012 at 6:08:43 PM

Does that include suggestions for improvement?

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
troacctid "µ." from California
Feb 12th 2012 at 6:10:45 PM

I believe the main threads we don't want in Image Pickin' are the ones that say "I think we can do better" but don't give any suggestions.

edited 12th Feb '12 6:15:26 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
JapaneseTeeth -intrigued- from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
-intrigued-
Feb 12th 2012 at 7:18:41 PM

In the context of IP, that means that the image has to be actually causing trouble to be pullable without a replacement. Basically, if you start a thread you have to either have a replacement pic in mind, or have explain how the image is misrepresenting the trope somehow.

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Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords

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