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In an effort to keep the volume of threads in IP at a reasonable level, and to encourage creating threads that address genuine problems, we need to make some notes about when to request a thread and what constitutes valid reasons for a thread. These have been mentioned in some of the other IP procedure threads, but they're being listed here for quick reference.

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    Approval of threads 
New IP threads must be approved by the staff before they will be opened. Please take time to review the guidelines below and make sure your request is solid before submitting it.
  • A thread requested within two weeks of the closing of a previous thread on the same page that doesn't have a concrete suggestion will be rejected outright.

    General notes 
  • IP isn't obligatory, but it is strongly recommended. Otherwise, the image you put up may end up coming to the forum for work or replacement.
  • Pages that have gone through IP should have a commented-out tag showing the relevant thread(s) and any related information. Always check for these before adding a pic or requesting an IP thread for a page.
  • Keep the quality criteria listed below in mind when making an image suggestion.
  • Work pages generally don't require an IP thread to upload a pic, but feel free to start a thread if you have multiple ideas, or use the Image Suggestion thread to float single ideas.
  • Animated GIFs can't be uploaded as page pics, so don't bother trying.note 
  • It usually takes 5-7 [tup] votes for a pic to be considered to have consensus in a thread; pics can be put up with less than this, but usually only at a moderator's discretion.
    In crowners:
    • An option has consensus if its vote balance is "in the green" (more up votes than down) and has a minimum of a 2:1 vote ratio.
    • If a crowner ends with no options having consensus, the crowner and thread are considered to be failed and the thread will be closed unless there is significant ongoing discussion.
    • Crowners normally run for 5 days, but can go longer if more time is needed, and can be closed early for the following criteria:
      • At any point, if the leading option has a vote balance of 10 or more and no other options have consensus. This is considered "super-consensus".
      • After 3 days, if the leading option has a vote balance of at least 8 and no other options have consensus.
      • After 4 days, if the leading option is the only one that has consensus.

    IP thread reasons 

Reasons to instantly pull an image and make a request to replace it

  • Not Safe For Work (NSFW)
    • If you're unsure on whether a pic fits this or not, comment it out or ask before outright pulling it.
    • Classic works of art containing nudity, such as Michelangelo's David or Botticelli's The Birth of Venus, don't necessarily fall into this, but appropriateness for the page in question is the key factor, and SFW options should be considered whenever possible.
  • The image is a spoiler. The age and/or infamy of the work the image originates from may prevent this from being considered a valid issue.
  • Watermarking. A TV channel emblem on a screencap is a "bug", not a true watermark, and is permissible as long as it's not obtrusive.
  • Meme-based images are not permitted as page pics. The sole general exceptions are Image Macro (for obvious reasons) and a work's Memes page, where they should only be considered if there are no better options.Other exceptions 
  • A page has an image that is obviously from the wrong work / programming block / network / etc.
  • Copyright issues:
    • The pic implies TV Tropes is claiming the copyright.
    • The pic has been taken from a site that deals in copyrighted images or videos, especially if a watermark has been removed and/or the site is selling their content. Screencaps from videos from these sites are not permitted, either.
    • The image is the entirety of a product for sale, such as a t-shirt design.
    • Using an entire work:
      • Basically, if it's copyrighted, we have to get permission to use it. This covers single-panel cartoons, photographs, entire comic strips and webcomics, and similar works. If permission is granted to use a work, it's always noted on the page in some fashion, usually in the caption and/or with the page tag. If an artist requests a specific way to display their connection to the pic, we'll do our best to honor it.
      • The creators of xkcd and Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal have given us carte blanche to use entire works as needed. Permission notices for such cases aren't required.
      • Entire cards from card-based games like Magic: The Gathering are impractical but can be used. Using the art from these cards is fine.
      • Any such work that's in the public domain is free to use.
    • Some creators do not want their work used outside their control at all, but fair use means that we are not legally bound to honor this for the wiki's purposes, aside from the aforementioned restrictions. We'll honor a take-down request, but it's up to them to send it. We're not obliged to chase them down and ask them what their policy is. Fair use also allows us to use excerpts of works without seeking permission. In this case, the minimum needed to get the trope across should be used.

Valid general reasons to request a thread

  • Multiple suggestions for a page without a pic. Single suggestions are currently being filtered through the Image Suggestion thread instead of getting their own threads right off the bat. Those that don't end up on a page will have threads created to try to find a pic.
  • The current pic doesn't adequately demonstrate the trope. Examples of this include:
    • Just a Face and a Caption (JAFAAC)—the pic shows an example of the trope but relies on familiarity with its subject(s) to make the connection to the trope evident.
    • A pic that is nothing but text, or one where the text overwhelms the imagery. "May/Might as well be a page quote" is often used to describe this. There are exceptions (Spoof Aesop, for example), especially for dialogue-based tropes, but generally we want to have actual images as page pics with just enough text to support the expression of the trope.
  • Poor image quality. Graininess, motion blur, and compression artifacts are three of the most common problems.
If the size value in a pic's coding is larger than the actual size of the pic, it will stretch the pic to that width which will introduce artifacts. Check the image's properties before starting a thread; if this is the issue, a change to the coding will fix it.
  • The current pic is taken from a multi-panel work such as a comic strip or webcomic and uses more than half of the source material.
  • Fan-art on a work page instead of an image from the work itself.
  • The current pic is overly fanservicey, especially in the Creator/ namespace. In the case of Fanservice tropes, pics should be as low-key as possible while still getting the trope across.
  • Two trope pages have the same pic.
    • While it's preferred that they be separate, a trope page can have the same image as a work page or a character image from a Characters subpage. In these cases, a thread should have at least one replacement suggestion for either page.
  • You believe you have a suggestion that better illustrates the trope than the current pic (by Image Pickin' standards, not "This is a cooler pic.")
  • A pic has been changed or removed from a page for a reason that may not be valid, or no reason at all, especially if the pic was chosen by a previous IP thread. These changes can sometimes be simply reverted by a moderator without a need for further discussion.
  • A page marked as No Real Life Examples, Please! has a Real Life pic.Exceptions 
  • A YMMV or Audience Reaction page has a pic that is not In-Universe.Exceptions 
  • A page has an unusual image arrangement not chosen by an IP thread and you don't think it works well, e.g. having two images on a trope page. Some pages may have multiple pics for a reason, so check for an IP tag before starting a thread in this case.

Invalid reasons to request a thread

  • Trying to solicit ideas for an image. IP has a cap of 60 threads and is usually at or near capacity on any given day, so space can't be allotted for threads that don't have a purpose other than to brainstorm.
  • Not liking an image's art style, layout/design, or any Photoshopping or similar alterations that may have been made, provided they don't impact the pic's quality.
  • Claiming that a particular work is over-/under-represented. This can have some impact on deciding on a pic, but should never be the main gist of a thread.
  • Trying to argue that a pic you liked wasn't chosen in a previous thread, especially if it lost in a crowner, or trying to make an invalid argument that a pic doesn't work for a page even though it was chosen by a thread. Repeatedly doing this is grounds for suspension from the workshop forums.
  • Some trope pages feature Visual Puns or other jokey pics rather than something that actually demonstrates the trope, usually because these pages have been very hard to find a better pic for.Examples  Don't request a thread just because you don't like the joke; if you've got an actual example, that's fine. Also, see the "Don't change the pic" section on the page mentioned below.

    Special cases 
For a list of pages that have unique statuses, see Image Pickin' Special Cases

General cases:

  • Pages within the YMMV/, Fridge/, Haiku/, WMG/, Headscratchers/, and Quotes/ namespaces default to no pic; YMMV.Home Page and Headscratchers.Home Page are the only exceptions.
  • Due to their exceptional subjectivity and persistent problems with images being poor quality and/or not illustrative, Moments pages (Awesome/, Funny/, Heartwarming/, NightmareFuel/, Shocking/,TearJerker/) are limited to one image.

Edited by Willbyr on Nov 29th 2021 at 3:23:07 AM

FernandoLemon Fan of Night in the Woods and Hamilton from Argentina
Fan of Night in the Woods and Hamilton
Jan 14th 2022 at 8:49:27 AM

Regarding the discussion for moments pages, I took the liberty of counting them. Of the 60 current threads, 37 are for moments pages.

At the end of everything, hold onto anything.
Amonimus the Retromancer from the Far Reaches of Hell Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
Jan 14th 2022 at 8:52:27 AM

That's a lot, but how many of them don't have any discussion besides downvoting the current? I'm concerned having a Crowning Moments Of Image Picking thread isn't a universal solution.

TroperWall - Super OCD Mode - Want feedback at Yack Fest: Coding/Programming
Cutegirl920fire Body-hijacked Queen from Versailles Relationship Status: I know
Body-hijacked Queen
Jan 14th 2022 at 8:53:13 AM

[up][up] Yikes, that's like barely over half of the slots. I agree on a general thread for dealing with bad Moments page.

Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Jan 14th 2022 at 8:58:34 AM

2 words for Page 7 of my avatar gallery: MARIE ANTOINETTE
Synchronicity practically an avenger Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
practically an avenger
Jan 14th 2022 at 8:56:47 AM

[up][up][up]Oh huh, considering 5 of those 60 are eternal policy threads, my 2/3 estimate was actually bang-on.

The reason other reason I wanna cut back on these moments threads is that the forum always being full of them means other issues don't have enough space to breathe (like the page image on the previous page, which I would like to get its own thread). If we have a particularly problematic pic (new trope image is JAFAAC, something is NSFW, or a copyright violation) we can't get rid of it right away.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jan 14th 2022 at 11:01:11 AM

FernandoLemon Fan of Night in the Woods and Hamilton from Argentina
Fan of Night in the Woods and Hamilton
Jan 14th 2022 at 9:32:47 AM

[up][up][up] Around 15 or so, which is more than half of those threads.

[up] It was correct, but there's actually 7 administrative threads, you forgot "Pics awaiting permission" and "Images without a source", which are unpinned for some reason. (If you're wondering about the rest, 11 are trope pages and 5 are work pages).

At the end of everything, hold onto anything.
PurpleEyedGuma from a soundchip from 1986 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Jan 14th 2022 at 10:39:14 AM

[up][up][up] That could be a good idea. A catch-all thread for pulling and replacing Moments pics.

But then again, we might be forced to multitask with many pages at once.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Jan 14th 2022 at 1:45:59 PM

“Self-awareness does not absolve anyone of anything.”
WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army
Jan 14th 2022 at 10:51:44 AM

I'd rather have a pinned thread too. I've explained my issue with those work-based threads before; While tropes allow for some interesting discussion and a variety of images to go over, moments pages never do. It's the same reason I avoid character page image threads as well, which are even worse because those are usually stuffed with images and there's never anything productive to add beyond a thumbs up.

Wick Check Project - Troper Wall - Currently working on: Witch Species
themayorofsimpleton Keeping my head on straight from The moon and the stars Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Keeping my head on straight
Amonimus the Retromancer from the Far Reaches of Hell Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:03:05 AM

While threads for Character pages aren't that often, I wonder if can also be used for updating character profiles, especially for ongoing works and adaptations.

TroperWall - Super OCD Mode - Want feedback at Yack Fest: Coding/Programming
Synchronicity practically an avenger Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
practically an avenger
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:05:02 AM

That could be a good idea. A catch-all thread for pulling and replacing Moments pics.

As I explained in the previous thread, the idea is just to pull. If they want to replace they can start another thread or use the suggestion thread for an empty page.

Thanks for the input everyone. I'll leave this idea to marinate a bit.

FernandoLemon Fan of Night in the Woods and Hamilton from Argentina
Fan of Night in the Woods and Hamilton
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:07:36 AM

[up][up] Meh, those are rare.

[up][up][up][up] Occasionally we get a thread like the Encanto one, where the work is popular and/or visually striking enough that suggestions are pitched almost immediately, but those are few and far between.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Jan 14th 2022 at 4:07:47 PM

At the end of everything, hold onto anything.
Amonimus the Retromancer from the Far Reaches of Hell Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:08:59 AM

Big movies being released always summon a lot of talk.

TroperWall - Super OCD Mode - Want feedback at Yack Fest: Coding/Programming
WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:12:22 AM

Yeah; the issue is that most of them are for, like, decade old movies and video games that have flown under the radar for several years and don't have many great images to choose from or many people who are that interested in the work in the first place.

Wick Check Project - Troper Wall - Currently working on: Witch Species
mightymewtron "See? Kisses!" from New New York Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
"See? Kisses!"
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:14:43 AM

If only work pages and trope pages had separate IP fora. Then we could always have room for trope image spots.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 14th 2022 at 2:15:12 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Amonimus the Retromancer from the Far Reaches of Hell Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:18:16 AM

How would that be really different from just having more slots, which isn't going to be increased for reasons?

TroperWall - Super OCD Mode - Want feedback at Yack Fest: Coding/Programming
WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:22:09 AM

Well, having an entirely separate forum wouldn't just mean more slots, but it would also mean that people who don't care about work-related issues don't need to skim trough a list of them every day just to find issues they're interested in. Speaking personally, I like to have a uniform gray link list as often as possible just because I think it looks way better than a list of blue links does especially on Night Vision, and Image Pickin' is a forum I tend to only skim over just because so many of the threads are things I don't feel like I can actually contribute to, leaving them unread forever. (This is why I really do miss the "mark all as read" feature...)

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 14th 2022 at 2:22:35 PM

Wick Check Project - Troper Wall - Currently working on: Witch Species
PurpleEyedGuma from a soundchip from 1986 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Synchronicity practically an avenger Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
practically an avenger
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:45:56 PM

I heard back from Willbyr, so the MICT is now live grin please redirect all crappy single-image moments pages there.

PurpleEyedGuma from a soundchip from 1986 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:50:54 PM

[up][up] Maybe I should start a thread for that page anyway because I think it can be condensed to just the second panel.

“Self-awareness does not absolve anyone of anything.”
Cutegirl920fire Body-hijacked Queen from Versailles Relationship Status: I know
Body-hijacked Queen
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:51:01 PM

[up] Sweet! What about the other Moments pages threads that are still running, though? Will they be closed after this?

2 words for Page 7 of my avatar gallery: MARIE ANTOINETTE
Synchronicity practically an avenger Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
practically an avenger
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:53:40 PM

They will be allowed to live out their remaining lifespans, but all new efforts should be coursed through there.

Remember, the MICT is only for "this page has one bad pic and I want it gone". If you have a replacement onhand or the page has multiple pics, start a thread.

Amonimus the Retromancer from the Far Reaches of Hell Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
Jan 14th 2022 at 1:00:42 PM

Wowers.

Does it take one slot?

TroperWall - Super OCD Mode - Want feedback at Yack Fest: Coding/Programming
Synchronicity practically an avenger Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
practically an avenger
Jan 14th 2022 at 1:01:37 PM

It does. The thread limit is actually (now) 52, not 60, counting all those policy threads.

Piterpicher Dislikes soulless stuff from Poland, for real Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
Dislikes soulless stuff
Jan 14th 2022 at 1:02:25 PM

Eh, whatever. It happens.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 14th 2022 at 10:02:38 AM

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