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NoChorus Since: May, 2010
#301: Nov 29th 2011 at 3:47:03 PM

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Not sure what to say as a Jags fan.

My Christmas gift has come early and they've fired Del Rio, but the sale of the team was surprising.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#302: Nov 29th 2011 at 4:41:52 PM

[up][up][up] It would take the stars aligning, but yes, those teams could in theory still make it into the playoffs. A team is only really considered "eliminated" when it is mathematically impossible for them to earn a playoff spot.

Android_Chaos Since: Sep, 2009
#303: Nov 30th 2011 at 9:30:29 AM

That's precisely my beef with that. The math is pretty much against those three teams at this point. The head-to-head matchups don't shape up too well if we combine the Jaguars, Panthers and Dolphins' records. If we add their division and conference records, it doesn't look too good either and it would take nothing less than a miracle for the teams on the top spots to completely choke their remaining games, somehow come up with a better head-to-head record and improve their overall marks.

It is just as pointless to say that Jacksonville, Carolina and Miami have a shot at the playoffs as much as it was for the Colts 1-2 weeks ago. Not only is the editor a nitwit, he must suck at math worse than me.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#304: Nov 30th 2011 at 12:16:38 PM

[up]... The math says that in the event of a tie, Miami and Jacksonville, would lose to Cincinnati. That's why, if Cincinnati were to win their next game(and thus get to 8 wins), or either team loses(and thus reaches 9 losses), they would be eliminated from playoff contention...

Yes, it's unlikely that either team would win out, finishing 8-8 while at the same time Cincinnati loses every game(and, by the same token, every other team with 4-7 wins also loses the "correct" amount of games)... But such a thing is still possible. I mean all it could take is for a team(or two) to lose a starting quarterback... Just ask Houston(or Oakland) how much ground teams can make up on your lead in such an instance...

edited 30th Nov '11 12:18:42 PM by Swish

Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#305: Nov 30th 2011 at 2:30:38 PM

Yeah, Good God, Houston's had incredibly bad luck when it comes to injuries. Losing Schaub and Leinart? Having to rely (if only temporarily) on T.J. Yates (whom no one has probably even heard of before Monday) to basically make sure they stay on top of the division? That should be fun to watch.

The stupid lockout has seemingly caused so many more damn injuries this season than previous ones.

Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#306: Nov 30th 2011 at 2:36:24 PM

(Double post on an entirely different subject.)

Did anyone see the Tebow interview on CBS on Sunday? When Sharpe directly asked him if he thinks that the Denver organization has his back, he skirted the question. Twice.

See, he's not dumb; he knows that Fox and Elway don't want him in there, but all he does is keep winning.

I am very interested in seeing what happens in the offseason, whether he be traded or kept or cut or whatever.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#307: Nov 30th 2011 at 2:39:50 PM

The stupid lockout has seemingly caused so many more damn injuries this season than previous ones.

Just because "big-name" players are getting hurt doesn't mean that injuries are up... This is a very big misconception, and one used to "justify" why one's team is doing poorly, when it has nothing at all to do with it*

... The lockout has nothing to do with the Packers having 18 players on IR last season while having only 2 on IR this season...

Here's an amusing fake "Goodbye Denver from Kyle Orton" video. What I found more interesting about it was that it is featured on the NFL's website.

So remember the lesson kids: Making fun of Plaxico shooting himself in a touchdown celebration, an evil of football that should be fined(but frakking hilarious). Making fun of a QB getting run out of town by a "worse" QB, perfectly okay(and frakking hilarious).

Not as bad as the whole "illegal hits are bad, buy a DVD holding the best illegal hits of the last 10+ seasons"... But close.

edited 30th Nov '11 2:42:11 PM by Swish

Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#308: Nov 30th 2011 at 3:04:41 PM

[up]Well, I'm not just talking about Leinart and Schaub. There were, like, six or seven ACL tears within the first week of players getting back to practices and workouts. The first one was a kicker, if I'm not mistaken.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#309: Nov 30th 2011 at 3:16:18 PM

[up]I didn't mean just Leinart and Schaub either... You're acting as though there were not as many ACL/MCL tears in previous seasons. Or injuries in general. There were.

It's like how defensive linemen/linebackers hit QBs in the legs all the time, but the moment Tom Brady got hit in the leg, and tore something, it was "bad" and "hurt the sport." It's only when "star" players or quarterbacks get hurt that people start claiming that there's a problem with injuries... But the number of injuries per season(including this one) has remained fairly constant.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#310: Nov 30th 2011 at 4:07:49 PM

Wikipedia has more playoff scenarios, but it's a very long list, so I'll just leave this here.

EagleFan On The Wentz Wagon Since: Jan, 2013
On The Wentz Wagon
#311: Dec 1st 2011 at 7:28:44 PM

Revising my earlier statement: Andy Reid needs to go. NOW! This team sucks. They're losing to the Seahawks. I just want to curl up in a corner and pretend this season never happened.

"I'm Commander Shepard, but I guess I'm now your therapist."
Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#312: Dec 2nd 2011 at 11:10:05 AM

Yeah, but the Seahawks have been playing better recently (won four of their last five).

Still not an excuse, though. Eagles should have beat them. And now I really don't think Reid is going even survive the season, much less coach until the end of the year.

SpaceJawa UTINNI! from Right Here Since: Jan, 2001
UTINNI!
#313: Dec 2nd 2011 at 12:52:50 PM

See, he's not dumb; he knows that Fox and Elway don't want him in there, but all he does is keep winning.

I am very interested in seeing what happens in the offseason, whether he be traded or kept or cut or whatever.

Doesn't he have some kind of massive following from Broncos fans, too? I'm pretty sure he has a large following of fans who normally aren't Broncos fans to boot. Which makes me wonder what the resulting fallout would be if Tebow keeps performing the way he has been and/or gets better and those two try something anyway.

Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#314: Dec 2nd 2011 at 3:39:30 PM

[up]Tebow was passed off to them by the former management (Mc Daniels and co.). If they were in place when the draft took place last year, they would not have picked Tebow.

And in the midst of a bad season, they thought "Hey, what's the worse that could happen?" and put him in.

It's almost as if they would prefer to win in a less ugly manner than the way they are right now.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#315: Dec 2nd 2011 at 7:24:05 PM

It's almost as if they would prefer to win in a less ugly manner than the way they are right now.

Anyone would prefer to win pretty than ugly... But very few owners/GMs are capable of justifying getting rid of players/coaches when a team is winning, unless they can show that said player/coach had nothing to do with the wins.

Honestly, the worst case scenario for Elway and the front office is for the Broncos to make the playoffs as a division winner boasting a 10-6 or better record, without Tebow getting statistically better in the first three quarters. It would mean that Tebow only lost 2 games this season(only one more game from this point), while Oakland loses two, but it's entirely possible due to Cutler's injury.

Without visible statistical improvement, Elway would be in a complete bind regarding what to do, due to the division win, and possible playoff victories(obviously depending on who they play)... If Tebow shows improvement, Elway would probably be okay with giving him a one/two year contract during the off-season... But unless that happens, Elway wouldn't feel comfortable keeping Tebow, but wouldn't be able to sell to the public the reasons for letting Tebow go...

And the most interesting aspect of the whole thing, is that people claim no one would take Tebow as a starter if he were cut from the Broncos... I'd agree there probably wouldn't be trades for Tebow, but someone would pick him up as a starter. There are crappy teams with owners/GMs/coaches that would gladly pick up Tebow because they'd have nothing to lose in such a situation...

Android_Chaos Since: Sep, 2009
#316: Dec 2nd 2011 at 7:26:23 PM

...And the way things are going, the Bills won't be too far off if Fitzpatrick doesn't cut it. Too early to have given him that big contract, methinks.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#317: Dec 2nd 2011 at 7:30:41 PM

^^ There's also one bigger problem for Elway and Fox, Denver would be under .500 still if they stuck with Orton. They are one win away from tieing Oakland for the #1 spot when 8 weeks ago they were dead last in the season.

It's rare you get a complete 180 turnaround like what Tebow has done and it binds Fox and Elway's hands away from doing anything to him. Especially since Tebow gets better with every passing week it seems. (And the team seems to be building around him, not Fox and Elway.)

Android_Chaos Since: Sep, 2009
#318: Dec 3rd 2011 at 8:56:53 AM

I can't help but wonder if Fox and Elway should at least try to go to that direction for the team's greater good. Very vew Q Bs have done all that much in their first couple of years, so if there are chances for Tebow to improve on his mechanics, tihngs will keep looking up.

Very optimistic, but he deserves every shot he can get.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#319: Dec 4th 2011 at 9:58:47 AM

So, it sounds like Von Miller is out for the game. This will be a good test to see to what degree the defense is propping up Tebow, if at all.

NoChorus Since: May, 2010
#320: Dec 4th 2011 at 10:51:47 AM

Well, the Broncos are currently leading in what can only be called a baseball score (7-5) while the Bengals seem to not be providing any resistance against the Steelers. A wildcard bid looks very possible for Denver.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#321: Dec 4th 2011 at 1:06:43 PM

With the Bears' loss to the Chiefs, the Packers are now the first team to clinch a playoff berth. They can clinch the division with a loss by the Lions.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
NoChorus Since: May, 2010
#323: Dec 4th 2011 at 1:34:21 PM

If it existed, John Elway's "dump Tebow" plan has failed miserably.

EDIT: Worst part for the haters is that you can't even say that the defense won this game. They gave up 32 points.

edited 4th Dec '11 1:35:25 PM by NoChorus

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#324: Dec 4th 2011 at 1:34:39 PM

Honestly, barely squeaking out a victory against one of the worst teams in the league does not do much to convince me that Tebow's a good quarterback.

edited 4th Dec '11 1:35:05 PM by Linhasxoc

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#325: Dec 4th 2011 at 2:24:04 PM

[up]You're absolutely right... By that logic, the Patriots are a "mediocre" team, with Brady being a "not good" quarterback. One should be able to beat a bad team by more than a single digits. But a win is a win, in the NFL... And there are always excuses as to why a team(or player) still is terrible...

And the Broncos are now a 4 seed(hosting Pittsburgh) if the season ends today. Oakland losing helps Cincinnati the most, as they're still the 6 seed due to tiebreakers against Oakland instead of Denver...

Edit: I'm catching the Ravens/Browns game late(Tivo'd so I'm an hour behind at the moment)... Here's hoping the Ravens drop another one to a bad team...

edited 4th Dec '11 2:26:12 PM by Swish


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