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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#26: Sep 27th 2011 at 12:34:58 PM

^

Just make it so anything above the calorie per unit value has an extra "luxury" tax on it.

Then you have normal foods as well as increasingly taxed luxury foods that you can still get, and the government makes more money. Problem solved.

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#27: Sep 27th 2011 at 12:37:22 PM

Correction: the government makes more money to treat your fatass when you finally have a heart attack or stroke. wink

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SavageHeathen Pro-Freedom Fanatic from Somewhere Since: Feb, 2011
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#28: Sep 27th 2011 at 12:37:46 PM

[up][up] Exactly. Inasmuch as businesses can keep the flavor and reduce the lard/sugar content, they will, 'cause they'll have lower taxes on their product. It's a stick to beat the manufacturer with, not the consumer.

Odds are, standard industry practice would be to keep their classics (read:lard) and test healthier substitutes. When the consumers by and large accept the substitute, they'd probably drop the overtaxed classic. tongue

edited 27th Sep '11 12:38:52 PM by SavageHeathen

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#29: Sep 27th 2011 at 12:39:52 PM

I know tons of people(at least nationwide, not necessarily here) would cry foul about that idea, but...

THEY ALREADY DO IT TO CIGARETTES AND I SURVIVE JUST FINE. LONG AS WE'RE TAXING THE UNHOLY FUCK OUT OF OTHER THINGS DEEMED UNHEALTHY FOR THE COMMUNITY DUE TO MEDICAL COSTS, LET'S AT LEAST BE FAIR ABOUT IT!

It's like sweets and fatty foods are "Freedom to eat this unhealthy shit" but it's ok to tax cigarettes 37 percent in California because the people who don't smoke could give a shit, it ain't one of their sacred cows getting made into.. hamburger. The government gets on their soapbox and essentially says they have sin taxes because they want to discourage the behavior, but when there aren't as many smokers, they lower those taxes to get more smokers, and thus extra revenue. Let's do the same shit to fast food, something much more epidemic than smoking and much more dangerous, if the ratios of heart disease to lung cancer are any indication.

edited 27th Sep '11 12:42:13 PM by Barkey

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#30: Sep 27th 2011 at 12:42:46 PM

-shrug- Tobacco activly causes cancer and is addictive. Its a lot harder to show that the 12 hamburgers you just ate are causing cancer and that you are addicted to them.

USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#31: Sep 27th 2011 at 12:43:22 PM

...it ain't one of their sacred cows getting made into.. hamburger.

[lol]

Indeed. Legalizing unhealthy things? Sure, that's your choice. But don't expect it to be cheap. Somebody's gotta pay when we have to dig you out of the gutter and fix you up later on...

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#32: Sep 27th 2011 at 12:44:55 PM

^^

Re: Heart Disease, one of the leading causes of death in the US, and one that American Fast Food being eaten regularly has been proven to cause.

Tax that shit, that's all I ask. It would do more good for Americans than the same taxation that is already present on tobacco products.

SavageHeathen Pro-Freedom Fanatic from Somewhere Since: Feb, 2011
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#33: Sep 27th 2011 at 12:46:42 PM

[up][up] It shouldn't be taxed punitively either. On this particular thing, it wouldn't be a sin tax to fleece the consumer: It'd be a non-coercive way of getting manufacturers to make healthier processed food ASAP.

The market would ensure that healthier processed food would become dominant as soon as they're taxed differentially. Overall, the consumer would be eating the similar food a similar prices, except now it'd have less salt, fat and sugar on it.

Poor people penny-pinch to get by, and they have the largest rates of obesity, so a small tax difference could ensure that healthy foods become top dog.

edited 27th Sep '11 12:48:04 PM by SavageHeathen

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#34: Sep 27th 2011 at 12:52:41 PM

Sin taxes for the purposes of social engineering are bad. A tax on unhealthy habits because, well, we have to foot the bill for the healthcare later on? That makes sense. It's probably difficult to distinguish between the two, unless we're differentiating between the two by how high the tax is.

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Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#35: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:04:53 PM

Dear god, some of these solutions are silly.

You can't just "fix" the problem with regualtions, laws, and such. It's inherent in the system: Americans want cheap and fast food because everyone has no time.

Now, the problem is that, in order to make the food cheap, fast food companies heavily process food to be effiecent, taking away flavour and nutrients. So they beef it up with chemicals, sugars, and fats.

However, even if you eat well, the exercise problem owes to the sedentary lifestyle. It's worse in A Merica, however, because people drive everywhere - at least in NYC or London people walk places, even if it's only to the bus stop or subway station (and getting out of the Washington DC subways is pretty good exercise).

These are not "sins" it's just many people don't know any other way.

edited 27th Sep '11 1:05:27 PM by Erock

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JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#36: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:11:33 PM

I think "gluttony" is up there tongue.

But yeah, you can tax something such that it becomes unaffordable or tracked.

Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#37: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:13:58 PM

@Josef: It isn't even gluttony if that's the convienent food.

It's a social thing that would take a lot more change then most Americans would like.

Americans do not like change, I've noticed.

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#38: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:15:42 PM

No, we don't.

~shrug~

Damned if you do...

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JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#39: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:17:13 PM

Tough. Change is neccesary for growth and America needs it, in huge amounts and at every point.

Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#40: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:18:24 PM

So does the UK though.tongue

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joyflower Since: Dec, 1969
#41: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:22:04 PM

Heres something I heard and its that all this fast food contributes to bigger boob growth in women.I also here that the food we eat can also make girls hit puberty earlier than before.That would explain alot in my situation because I believe I starting getting breasts when I was nine.

http://blog.scanavert.com/fast-food-is-a-fast-track-to-puberty-for-a-7-year-old.html

http://newsone.com/nation/newsonestaff5/african-american-girls-reach-puberty-faster-than-others/ It seems for African American women like myself we have been hitting puberty faster than any other race in America.

edited 27th Sep '11 1:24:35 PM by joyflower

USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#42: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:22:14 PM

Change is neccesary for growth and America needs it, in huge amounts and at every point.

And then you wonder why we don't like it.

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cadeonehalf from the Suzerian Conclave Since: Jan, 2011
#43: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:23:02 PM

This is something improved public transportation would help, I think. Moving from a suburb in Colorado to Seattle meant I walked a lot more. Sure, part of that was because everything is closer in a city vs. a suburb, but I also have to walk 2 or 3 blocks to the bus stop vs. fifteen feet to my garage to sit in the car. Hell, limiting car dependency in general (with city design, shopping centers, etc) would help get people walking around more. And for people who are full-on obese, just walking would make a HUGE difference in their physical fitness.

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Vellup I have balls. from America Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#44: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:26:30 PM

I don't know about anyone else, but I abhorred being required to take P.E. in high school. There's just something about being treated like dirt by someone who is worth less than dirt while doing something about as useful as shit that just didn't click with a few unusual students like myself. And don't even get me stared on Comprehensive Health and Diversity Studies. Fuck mandatory social improvement programs.

Personally, I don't see obesity as that much of a threat. Contrary to some impressions of America, the U.S. doesn't solely consist of a population of Fat Bastards, and for those that are it's a personal problem.

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#45: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:30:50 PM

Although I am not American, I am Clinically Obese myself. In my case taxing food would have little effect as I probably eat somewhat healthier than the skinnier people I work with, my obesity seems to be caused by lack of exercise (I have little time or inclination for this and am a massive recluse) and the quantity of food I eat (I like salad, I just eat a load of it).

I personally don't see anything wrong with obesity. Yes I will have health problems in the future and a lower life expectancy but really that is my business and I will never amount to anything anyway (I am also a pessimist).

USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#46: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:33:09 PM

Why is it a problem? Because obesity raises the general cost of healthcare...

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honorius from The Netherlands Since: Jun, 2010
#47: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:34:06 PM

It isn't solely your business if you want the state to pay (partly) for your obesity related health expectances.

On the other hand, sport related injuries also cost a lot.

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#48: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:36:04 PM

This is true, but I would imagine that there is a much higher occurrence rate of medical treatment related to obesity versus sports injuries. Also, with relation to sports injuries, it would be more about better safety rules...

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HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
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#49: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:37:56 PM

Quick question: Are we still using that Body-Weight Index thing to measure obesity? The one that says that if you're short and muscular it means you're obese? Because I recall that being a huge problem with calculating things, since America values a large, muscular body when it comes to athletics, ie. football players, wrestlers, boxers, etc.

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Vellup I have balls. from America Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#50: Sep 27th 2011 at 1:38:34 PM

Providing free/discounted healthcare is an issue that encompasses a lot more than just obesity, however.

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