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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#76: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:42:01 PM

Oh, okay then. !@#$ Psychology then :P

USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#77: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:42:04 PM

You don't need to use Freud, you're screwed over enough by having him associated with you. tongue

At least, although terrible at economics, Marx was not a bad sociologist... mostly.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:44:51 PM

/eyeroll

Why are you so obsessed with badmouthing Marx?

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#79: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:46:25 PM

>Implying that the defense mechanisms are somehow entirely debunk because Freud did lots of coke

edited 25th Sep '11 2:46:34 PM by Aondeug

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#81: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:47:34 PM

Because he was naive. He's the recognized pioneer of what we call "social-conflict" sociology, i.e. "society is a field of interaction that generates social inequality and conflict."

In this, he was mostly correct. At the very least, he was more correct than the structural-functionalists. However, his predictions on the reactions to this were... terrible. Absolutely terrible.

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whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
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#82: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:47:51 PM

@USAF Well thats hardly fair now is it. We don't condemn chemists for believing that there were only four elements or biologists for thinking that the heart was the centre of human thoughts and emotions.

Edit: No one is saying Freud is bad because he did coke, we're saying that Freud is bad because none of his theories can be objectively tested.

edited 25th Sep '11 2:50:12 PM by whaleofyournightmare

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#84: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:53:22 PM

Karl Marx was okay, remember by comparison to the Victorian era I'm sure we are all living in a socialist paradise.

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#85: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:56:13 PM

Making fun of psychology for Freud is just amusing. [lol]

Oh, why do I make fun of Marx's economics? Because they rely on labor having value, duh. tongue

Yes, we're a "socialist paradise" in the US... and Africa is full of democratic utopias, right?

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#86: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:57:42 PM

I find it rather surprising that you think labor has no value.

whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
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#87: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:58:05 PM

Amused is ok but saying "OMG, Psychology can't be a hard science because of Freud" isn't being fair though

edited 25th Sep '11 2:58:24 PM by whaleofyournightmare

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#88: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:58:08 PM

THESE. YOU MUST THANK FREUD FOR THEM.

Oh Freud...thank you, you lovely crazy fuck. Most of what you came up with was batshit fuck insane, but then you had things like these...And overall you are why we have psychology in part...

FREUD. I WILL DEFEND YOU TO MY DYING DAY.

-clutches cherished copy of The Interpretation of Dreams-

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#89: Sep 25th 2011 at 2:59:18 PM

I mean the civilized world, tongue

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#90: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:01:27 PM

Output has value, not input. If I work for 50 hours on a useless doodad while some doctor spends ten minutes to make a cure for cancer (just go with it), who's done the more valuable thing? More time spent on something doesn't make it worth more.

I don't think psychology isn't a hard science because of Freud, I think it's not a hard science because it's a humanitarian science. Sociology is chock full of statistics too and it's still a soft science. Humans aren't a predictable, consistent variable...

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whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
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#91: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:02:18 PM

USAF, You'll be surprised how predictable humans can be though.

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#92: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:03:00 PM

I honestly don't care about whether or not psychology is considered "hard" or "soft". I don't see it as being important for anything other than scientist dick waving jokes.

^I love humans for that. We are highly predictable things and yet we're so hard to treat and deal with...So many little patterns...ooooooooh.

edited 25th Sep '11 3:03:34 PM by Aondeug

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
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#93: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:03:05 PM

Psychologists do a lot of work on animals and extrapolate conclusions. I read an interesting paper on classical conditioning a few days ago; it was very surprising how much information they had gathered.

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#94: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:03:57 PM

Classical conditioning studies are neat.

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#95: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:04:31 PM

What exactly is the difference between soft and hard sciences anyway? :/

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#96: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:05:22 PM

DICK WAVING, ZERSKY.

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#97: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:05:30 PM

Well, sure, humans are generally predictable, but not scientifically predictable. Thus is the distinction.

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#98: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:06:14 PM

Freud's theories may of be discredited but I think a lot of his works spoke greatly about the human condition.

I know that's a wanktastic thing to say but that's just the sort of guy I am.

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
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#99: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:06:28 PM

^^That doesn't mean anything.

edited 25th Sep '11 3:06:36 PM by Tzetze

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#100: Sep 25th 2011 at 3:07:16 PM

Oh. Experiments, studies, other shit and psychology. Watching examples of Piaget's stages of development is a great way to pass the time.

The pre-operational stage is the most amusing one I think.

edited 25th Sep '11 3:07:45 PM by Aondeug

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