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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#76: Sep 30th 2011 at 12:05:05 PM

Those poor poor bankers ;_;

Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#77: Sep 30th 2011 at 12:07:59 PM

$88k isn't that much once you put things into perspective.

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#78: Sep 30th 2011 at 12:15:00 PM

$88k isn't that much once you put things into perspective.

It's not 'that much' compared to WHAT, exactly? The median for Americans overall was almost HALF that in 2004, and that itself is barely over the Canadian poverty line. How is it that banking salaries are simultaneously 'not that much' while the average worker is apparently overpaid, by standard rightwing rhetoric?

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
silver2195 Since: Jan, 2001
#79: Sep 30th 2011 at 12:20:12 PM

[up]The cost of living isn't the same everywhere in the country, you know...

But seriously, tax evasion is bad and needs to be stopped, and capital gains taxes should probably be raised.

edited 30th Sep '11 12:22:20 PM by silver2195

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#80: Sep 30th 2011 at 12:22:21 PM

The average for NYC is 50k.

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silver2195 Since: Jan, 2001
#81: Sep 30th 2011 at 12:29:44 PM

BTW, I like how people are complaining about the lack of mainstream media coverage while linking to mainstream media coverage.

I'm an optimist about the mainstream media the way some other people here are about cops.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#82: Sep 30th 2011 at 12:33:13 PM

I think the Salon and MSNBC ones are the only mainstream sources I've seen so far. And frankly I'd consider Salon to be down toward the lesser-known end as far as mainstream goes.

silver2195 Since: Jan, 2001
#83: Sep 30th 2011 at 12:36:33 PM

From page 1:

Michael Moore on CNN right now.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#85: Sep 30th 2011 at 12:52:59 PM

Well, it's a slow news period. Okay, so Obama iced another AQ hatchet man who sorta mighta possibly had connections to 9-11, and the MJ trial is like flogging a dead horse.

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#86: Sep 30th 2011 at 1:19:53 PM

...and that itself is barely over the Canadian poverty line.

Which I take to mean that the cost of living in Canada (and their poverty line) is absurdly high.

I can't really think of a large-time banker I'd feel bad for. Shouldn't lump the small-scale banks with them, though...

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sketch162000 Since: Nov, 2010
#87: Sep 30th 2011 at 1:24:38 PM

[up][up]That's what's fishy, though. The media is usually all over the tea party during slow periods. I've been hearing about the GOP debates constantly, for example. But nobody's interested in the wall street protests for some reason.

edited 30th Sep '11 1:25:27 PM by sketch162000

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#88: Sep 30th 2011 at 1:25:51 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I mean my internship would've come out to about $20k a year, and that was pretty darn comfortable. I could've supported myself and a roommate easily.

edited 30th Sep '11 1:26:11 PM by Pykrete

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#89: Sep 30th 2011 at 1:34:55 PM

Fair enough on the COL, but that doesn't contest the main point I was making - that rightwingers will say that X amount of money for employees and owners of businesses that are reporting excellent profits is not a lot, and then turn around and say X minus Y money for people who are partially dependent on welfare or at best have fairly average incomes (such as teachers with significant seniority) is too much.

You can't have it both ways.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
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#90: Sep 30th 2011 at 3:38:07 PM

@silver: Yeah, we are linking to mainstream media websites, but that is because we went looking for the information. Not because we have heard/seen those stories other places. And we are linking most of what we find. Overall, we are finding much less than we should for an event of this scale.

...And the scale just got bigger. Say hello to the Occupy Together Facebook page. It has ~20,000 people "like-ing" it and likes ~60 different pages for "occupying" various cities.

It is a little daunting watching all this come together...

edited 30th Sep '11 3:38:56 PM by Belian

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Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#91: Sep 30th 2011 at 4:00:46 PM

88k?

That's crazy low.

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#92: Sep 30th 2011 at 4:23:16 PM

I remember that tens of millions protested the onset of the Iraq war.

Didn't see too much of that in the media at the time, either.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
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#93: Sep 30th 2011 at 4:57:48 PM

Erock: Not really. that is over 4 times what I make in year.

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#94: Sep 30th 2011 at 6:23:49 PM

[up][up] Everyone is fed the fuck up with anti-war protestors. Courtesy of the Vietnam War protesting jackasses, mind you.

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#95: Sep 30th 2011 at 6:33:10 PM

Yeah because the vast majority of us were actually around during Vietnam. just bugs me

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#96: Sep 30th 2011 at 6:34:49 PM

Because most of us are representative of the total demographics of the United States... tongue

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#97: Sep 30th 2011 at 8:01:18 PM

So, moving away from income for a moment, I figure this opinion from the First Circuit Court of Appeals is at least somewhat relevant, though the First Circuit doesn't encompass NY. The entire thing is rather fascinating to me, but in particular, I'd like to note this paragraph beginning on page 12:

It is of no significance that the present case, unlike Iacobucci and many of those cited above, involves a private individual, and not a reporter, gathering information about public officials. The First Amendment right to gather news is, as the Court has often noted, not one that inures solely to the benefit of the news media; rather, the public's right of access to information is coextensive with that of the press. Houchins, 438 U.S. at 16 (Stewart, J., concurring) (noting that the Constitution "assure[s] the public and the press equal access once government has opened its doors"); Branzburg, 408 U.S. at 684 ("[T]he First Amendment does not guarantee the press a constitutional right of special access to information not available to the public generally."). Indeed, there are several cases involving private individuals among -12-the decisions from other courts recognizing the First Amendment right to film. See, e.g., Smith, 212 F.3d 1332; Robinson v. Fetterman, 378 F. Supp. 2d 534 (E.D. Pa. 2005) (holding that arrest of individual filming police activities from private property violated First Amendment); Cirelli v. Town of Johnston Sch. Dist., 897 F. Supp. 663 (D.R.I. 1995) (holding that teacher had a right under the First Amendment to videotape potentially hazardous working conditions at school, which were a matter of public concern). Moreover, changes in technology and society have made the lines between private citizen and journalist exceedingly difficult to draw. The proliferation of electronic devices with video-recording capability means that many of our images of current events come from bystanders with a ready cell phone or digital camera rather than a traditional film crew, and news stories are now just as likely to be broken by a blogger at her computer as a reporter at a major newspaper. Such developments make clear why the news-gathering protections of the First Amendment cannot turn on professional credentials or status.

...I almost feel bad for this huge block-quote, but if I just omitted things and added ellipsis, I would feel like I was quote-mining and cherry-picking.

In light of this, what can be said about the lawfulness or constitutionality of the arrests of bystanders who were non-threateningly recording what they saw? Not that I have any specifics, but I'd think there would be at least a few such cases in this situation.

edited 30th Sep '11 8:02:51 PM by darksidevoid

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#98: Sep 30th 2011 at 8:16:20 PM

If they say we can record we can record and they all have to suck it up. Really I think it helps keep people more honest if they know the citizenery can 'watch them' .

Who watches the watchmen?
Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#99: Sep 30th 2011 at 8:27:09 PM

@Tueful: 88k for Wall Street banker is laughable.

And don't think I don't slaries, because I do.

edited 30th Sep '11 8:27:36 PM by Erock

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#100: Sep 30th 2011 at 8:34:04 PM

Erock: That is hardly laughable money for only a Median income. Even if you take a 1/4th of their monthly income they would still be very comfortable monitarily. Anyone making that kind of cash is pretty well off. Honestly I could care less if some bankers are losing money over this. The rest of your post is difficult to parse what are you trying to say?

Anymore news on the goings on? I spotted a article but forgot to grab a link saying some of the local progressive groups in NY are supposedly going to march in solidarity in some form or other with Occupy Wallstreet group.

Hellon convenient link.

They marched to a Plaza near the Police HQ. No one was arrested though

edited 30th Sep '11 8:45:58 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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