What it says in the title. EDIT: Link to auxiliary sandbox page
Some trope descriptions suffer from problems. Some possible ones:
- Attention Deficit... Ooh, Shiny!. A paragraph starts explaining element X of the trope, then it wanders off to explain element Y. Two paragraphs after that we're back at element X again. Nary a conjunction is in sight.
- Too long. Stuff that should go in analysis, or maybe in another trope, or maybe nowhere, going in the main space. Too much scrolling required before you can get to the examples.
- Fan Myopia. Some "this is how it happens in WRESTLING!" dissertation is taking up half of the page on a trope about white t-shirts. We already have a thread on that one
- discussion about the general phenomenon goes there, specific candidates to deal with go here.
- General lack of balance and order. Something is emphasized at the expense of the other aspects of the trope, even though it has no right to be. Consequences of the trope come first, then related tropes, then a mention of the Trope Codifier, then common scenarios where it comes into play...
- Failure to answer the fundamental question up front: What is this trope? Not what it "might" be or what can "possibly" happen - what is it?
- Not enough meat. Juicy stuff is missing, like: When is the trope likely to turn up? Why would an author use it? In what ways does the audience often react? Which tropes are related to it and how?
- Spelling and grammar issues.
- The first line which makes honest-to-god sense is below the fold. e.g. Example as a Thesis that makes you go "huh?" instead of "ooooh".
- Bad Writing. Purple Prose, pitching the trope, Wanton Cruelty to the Common Comma.
- Egregiously Fan-Myopic quote.
- Jaywalking.
Bring up trope pages here so we can work on them. If no one does in a while, I'll try to dig something up.
edited 22nd Sep '11 10:48:59 AM by TripleElation
Lex et Veritas
Thank you, Eddie!
Ugh, it's claiming to be YMMV just above a list of objective criteria. I'm tempted to just chop off everything above the "In short, this trope is..." line.
Given I'm planning to chop more than 75% of the description, I'd like a mod or something to stop by and say "take a chainsaw to it Deboss" to make sure I'm on track. Or open a TRS, whichever.
edited 15th Oct '11 4:29:00 AM by Deboss
Fight smart, not fair.Ugly Guy, Hot Wife could do with losing a few paragraphs.
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverSugar Bowl needs to be rid of the annoying travel log.
Cut the entire travel log section off and tossed it on SelfDemonstrating.Sugar Bowl.
Fight smart, not fair.
Diagonalizing The Matrix
Don't Say Such Stupid Things! seems needlessly Anime-centric.
Pretentious quote || In-joke from fandom you've never heard of || Shameless self-promotion || Something weird you'll habituate to
Hmm, it's a Stock Phrase. I've always been a bit confused about Stock Phrase pages and what should be on them (and, really, whether we should even have them in the first place), but that being said, it's about a specific phrase that only or mostly turns up in translated anime, so the anime focus seems appropriate.
At first glance, it looks to me like pretty much all the non-anime, non-video game examples should be deleted, because they don't use the Stock Phrase, but simply involve situations vaguely reminiscent of the one that uses the Stock Phrase.
Jet-a-Reeno!
Diagonalizing The Matrix
If it's about a stock phrase specifically from Japanese works, the page is not doing a very good job of emphasizing that. Right now it looks like it's trying to be a trope, but not bothering with the concept that it might be applied outside of anime.
edited 21st Oct '11 10:27:42 AM by TripleElation
Pretentious quote || In-joke from fandom you've never heard of || Shameless self-promotion || Something weird you'll habituate toI think the standard for Stock Phrase is that, if it's working, it should be about the event the stock phrase is pointing out.
Fight smart, not fair.Compensating for Something needs a rewrite to make it clear that it's about remarks made within the work that a characters is Compensating for Something and something that tropers can use to make speculations about why a character has large sword.
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If that's the case, then I think the page should be a trope page about the situation, not the phrase associated with it. Going by Stock Phrases, it sounds like it really is just about "Someone uses these words," and that the situation is a separate issue that can (and probably does) often have its own separate trope page.
Does Sudden Sequel Death Syndrome really need that Example As Thesis it opens with?
Really need? Nah. Need? Perhaps. Does that mean it has to be removed? Nah, too. I like its wording, although it could use some improvement, as it takes too long to get to the part where it actually is about the sequel.
Fanfic Recs orwellianretcon'd: cutlocked for committee or for Google?At the risk of making it a personal Catchphrase, if you can't Tweet an Example as a Thesis, it's too long.
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.Let's see... including the paragraph immediately after, it's a hundred words and fivehundred seventy-four characters, so it's certainly not the worst we have.
Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan
That one needs actual TRS. The examples outside of Comic Books are almost all wrong. The trope really requires a universe made up of multiple interlocking franchises like the Marvel Universe, or the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
The trope itself is having a series in such a universe that follows a character that's zannier, loonier, more tongue in cheek, and doesn't quite fit in with the other titles.
edited 26th Oct '11 6:22:03 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Now the description makes sense. Probably needs a title hinting at the limitation.
