I would like to hear these consequences. We are never shown the effects of Spiral Nemesis on-screen. We are expected to take it completely on face value of the villain of the show that Spiral Energy is "dangerous" and will cause some form of a doomsday scenario. a "consequence" we never see!
as for the Boring Invincible Hero thing, Kamina isn't, but Simon sure as hell is. the only time he "lost" was a political thing between him and Rossiu and that was very temporary. S Ure, their Ganmen take damage and people die sometimes, but when you factor in things like the auto-regenration feature, and S Piral Energy effectively having NO LIMITS WHATSOEVER. it tends to sap tension
OP, I can recommend you a much better show. go watch Gao Gai Gar sometime. not only are Mamoru and Guy executed much better as character than Kamina and S Imon, they don't come off as invincible, they have believable character flaws, and they don't act "manly" all the time. and what's more, through Mamoru, the show actually does the coming-of-age and Passing the Torch elements better than TTGL does it. And it's a show that knows how to handle tension and suspense properly because of how the power source works and just by virtue of having some bleakness in the writing. Not enough to make it a depression fest, but enough to make you geniuinely care about the characters.
edited 20th Sep '11 2:26:58 AM by Clawshrimpy
I heard about that trilogy of shows, I've heard good things from people who speak languages where those 3 shows got localizations. I've never really got a chance to watch them, so I wouldn't know.
the last pre-90s Super Robot show I tried watching was Go Lion and even without Voltron's Macekre edits, it still does not hold up as well as one would think, as the story is pretty boring, and the charaterization isn't all that great because of... well.... the Kill Em All that was ironically taken out of Voltron.
edited 20th Sep '11 3:33:56 AM by Clawshrimpy
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I found the consequence "Spiral Nemesis" plausible, and that's good enough.
I'd like to express my opinion on GGG too. You see, I prefer TTGL over GGG. While it's true that the story of GGG is more bleak, every time they say that the "world is doomed!" I think "yeah, right." Even if cities are destroyed, the Carpenters go fix everything. Even if two mecha perform a heroic sacrifice, literally going back in time in the process, it just so happens that Jupiter has some sort of power to help them. Guy even gets his human body back, just because. Only Guy's dad really died, and even then his death wasn't as emotionally charged as I would have liked it to be.
So while in theory, while objectively (maybe), GGG has more tension, in actuality I found TTGL more enjoyable, because it's honest about being overly manly and ludicrously powerful.
tl;dr As with anything popular enough, YMMV heavily.
(I did enjoy both shows though. How can you not love Volfogg.)
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Is Daimos really good? I've watched it, and it's not particularly good in my opinion.
edited 20th Sep '11 3:53:38 AM by fillerdude
Well,y ou see, to me GGG allways had more tension not just because people were dying, but rather because of the major relavlations the characters have throughout the series and how the villains allways seem one step ahead. Tension can be acheived through other means other than some Mood Whiplash abrupt death scene every now and again. in fact, I argue it's often better to HAVE less death scenes as long as the death's do happen to have a signifigant emotional impact on the viewer. while yeah Leo's death was kind of....idealistic because of THE POWER, Tell that to Pappilon, who only got to live on temporarily as a replicant. Also bear in mind that Guy's new body was just an added bonus really, because Mikoto NEEDED to become an Evolder or Zonuda would've corrupted her forever. and If Mikito was going to get a new lease on life, it was only fair for Guy as well, because, even with precautions like the Goldion Hammer, his cybernetics WERE killing him. There was allways a reason for all of the big changes that happen that end up only temporary. it still accomplshed the goal of being tension, though. until Chou Ryu Jin came back from the past, He was effectively out of comission for a (in-universe) very long time. and it's why Mamoru was so upset to the point of tears, when the others were in danger, and Fuuryu and Rairyu were absolutely being curbstomped by Arm and Colon in Egypt and Mexico. and Chou Ryu Jin was fossilied, unable to move.
TTGL doesn't really have tension like this. any damage incured by the mechs are counter-acted by a Healing Factor powered by an infinite energy loop. Occasionally people die, but it only ever had impact the first time it was done because that was the only time it effected the other heroes enough to impact the emotions-powered said infinite energy loop. after that first one, death is shrugged off like nothing and nobody cares. Rossiu cared when people died during the first Mugann attack, but look how well that worked out....
edited 20th Sep '11 4:51:49 AM by Clawshrimpy
Could we not get into a "Which anime is better" debate?
Watch Gurren Lagann, decide for yourself. It's not like you're forbidden from watching any other anime after you finish it.
TTGL has a sort of Existentialist-lite message to me; It's all about not giving a damn about limits and fighting on anyways because you have faith in your cause. That is the meaning of Spiral Energy, it represents the unlimited aspirations and potential of mankind, and that chaotic energy that may one day destroy all life in the universe, which is why the Anti-Spirals seek to limit and control Spiral races through despair at their meager existence. But TTGL is about rising above that, accepting the irrationality of existence, and fighting on anyways.
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Because of this, having limits on Spiral Energy would completely go against the theme of the show.
edited 20th Sep '11 6:04:09 AM by Scherzo09
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lol opinions
edited 20th Sep '11 6:04:31 AM by KSPAM
I've got new mythological machinery, and very handsome supernatural scenery. Goodfae: a mafia web serialYeah, if the heroes don't suffer at least SOME kind of genuine defeat, then I can never really root for them.
Kamina is literally making me want to rip my own eyes out. I want to keep watching, because I wanna see how insane things get, but I don't think I can put up with any more o this guy
JUST LET THE PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIVES GODDAMMIT!! YOU DON'T LIVE THERE! STOP SAYING: YOU DON'T GET IT!!
"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel
Really how the plot treats Rossiu is pretty much rediculous from the get-go.
first, Kamina and the rest come down and make fun of his religion.
Then, he's supposed to be Gurren's pilot despite just not being good with Ganmen and just ends up looking like a useless load.
and then after all the good he tries to do to hold S Imon accountable to actually run his damn country he's painted as worse than Hitler. when in reality, he's more like the Super Robot version of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. He simply thought the old ways could not continue, and he wanted to bring change.
edited 20th Sep '11 6:42:22 AM by Clawshrimpy
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Exactly, opinions. I will recommend GGG to the OP just because it seems that TTGL doesn't seem to be his (her?) cup of tea.
Let's leave it at that.
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Interesting question. Amusingly, they are limited by their having no limits. Logic bomb.
I will assume they can stop it, but they opted to prevent it from happening in the first place.
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TTGL is not for you then. Again, I will recommend GGG instead.
Good intentions =/= good actions.
edited 20th Sep '11 6:45:46 AM by fillerdude
This is rather nitpicky, but can we change the title of this thread to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann? Not only that's the official name, if you ask me, it sounds cooler.
Yes, I'm the guy who's reponsible for Puella Magi Madoka Magica's current name (it used to be just Madoka Magica), for your info.
Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
I can't directly change the title, however, because you'd need to PM a mod but currently, I got into the bad sides of the mods so I try to avoid P Ming them as much as I can. I would appreciate if someone PM'd them for me.
Oh, and you're welcome.
Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
x8: It's because Rossiu was unable to think outside of the limits he thought he had. He tried to be pragmatic and save as many as he could, but because he could only think rationally and limited by what he perceived as obvious limits, he allowed the Anti-Spirals to dictate the terms of what he could do to the point where there was no hope of survival. Only by embracing the irrational Spiral Energy could mankind hope to defeat the Anti-Spirals. Rossiu isn't evil, but his failure to understand the meaning of Kamina's and Simon's philosophy made him an Anti-Villain.
edited 20th Sep '11 7:33:38 AM by Scherzo09
These are the words that shall come from my mouth. I shall be known for speaking them.You know how romance in most anime is cringeworthy? This one isn't. The characters are perfectly believable, and it's one of those rare instances where humans themselves are as bad as, if not worse than, the enemies they are facing. And like most classic anime, it pretty much makes any character feel suffering.
You probably think it's not good but I give it to the outdated animation (and hey, it's hard to track the whole series).
I mean, I'm honestly a guy who really doesn't care about Super Robot shows on a whole. Neon Genesis Evangelion, Toppa Tengen Gurren Lagann and kinda sorta G Gundam are the only ones I really like. The tropes of it normally just really don't appeal to me.
These are the words that shall come from my mouth. I shall be known for speaking them.... Can I slap you?
I've got new mythological machinery, and very handsome supernatural scenery. Goodfae: a mafia web serial

'Ludicrously overpowered' isn't quite the same as Boring Invincible Hero. Particularly when their unstoppability has some interesting consequences of its own.
What's precedent ever done for us?