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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas
Professional Forum Ninja
Sep 14th 2019 at 2:08:37 AM

The only way to intervene at the moment is sanctions and stopping imports of Brazilian products. Attempting a military intervention would very likely damage the Amazon even worse than what it already has unless they specifically strike at the capital Brasilia, and even that could end up incurring the wrath of the US (even if Trump just wants to be a saber rattler).

Edited by tclittle on Sep 14th 2019 at 4:09:57 AM

So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
Ramidel Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Sep 14th 2019 at 3:47:06 AM

Also, a military strike against another country over their mismanagement of "their" natural resources is not something the international community considers remotely acceptable.

Unfortunately, since the people with the guns have successfully fucked up Brazil's democracy right now (Lula isn't allowed to run for President, and he's the only one who could unite the left right now), the only ones that would have any influence over this would be the next US administration, assuming that we can get rid of the Carrot-in-Chief next year.

Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
thatboy Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
Sep 15th 2019 at 8:36:25 PM

At times I feel suicidal when it comes to this topic.

Sep 15th 2019 at 9:29:22 PM

[up] You... might want to consider leaving On-Topic Conversations, then.

Edited by CookingCat on Sep 15th 2019 at 9:29:31 AM

unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Sep 15th 2019 at 9:49:44 PM

I find this tendency of wating to be intervine in Brazil quite baffling coming on such progresive forum.

Specially since bolso dont have the political Will ti spend like Trump and he already squander a lot of it, put presure on him i think he will back off.

Also, Brazil Is no the only one fucking the Amazon, Evo and Maduro are doing too because of course they are.

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
raziel365 Anka Aquila from Lima, Perú Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
Sep 17th 2019 at 10:41:56 AM

Brazil must be hit with economic sanctions in their farm products, that’s the way to send the message straight that “your industry is insolvent, try something else”.

Also, as much as I detest Bolsonaro, justifying a military intervention on the basis of “not knowing how to care for their resources” is indeed text-book colonialist rhetoric.

An intervention can only be plausible if a politician with sufficient legitimacy calls for help.

Edited by raziel365 on Sep 17th 2019 at 10:42:22 AM

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Sep 17th 2019 at 10:45:18 AM

To be fair, "is a threat to the well being of other countries" is a bit harder to call "colonialistic".

Grafite Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Sep 17th 2019 at 11:27:56 AM

It's not a reasonable justification by far, given other developing countries are harming the environment, in other ways, in a much larger scale, but nobody's advocating for an environmental based invasion of China. Maybe except the usual crazies.

Life is unfair...
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Porky
Sep 17th 2019 at 2:00:46 PM

[up] Nobody argues invading China because that would be a logistical nightmare. If China was a Middle Tier power rather than the World Power it is, then you would see arguments for invading it.

Just pointing that. I would support armed intervention on China but damn, that would end in a freaking bloody.war that will easily kill tens of millions. Opening to the Chinese market was a mistake

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 17th 2019 at 4:02:16 AM

Watch me destroying my country
somerandomdude from Dark side of the moon Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
Sep 21st 2019 at 6:34:49 AM

Anyone attend or know anyone who attended the mass protests yesterday?

I'm not allowed to take part in marches or anything because I'm a serving Peace Corps volunteer, but here in Georgia there were quite a few marches in major cities.

Edited by somerandomdude on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:45:42 PM

Wenn man nicht die Fresse halten kann, einfach mal Ahnung haben.
SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Sep 21st 2019 at 12:46:02 PM

I have a brother who is apparently a major figure in the Swiss parts of the protests.

Euodiachloris Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Sep 21st 2019 at 12:53:40 PM

[up]Which way does most of the rest of the extended family swing, then? <gauging possible fallout> Mostly also pro-"Keep Our Glaciers"?

SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Sep 22nd 2019 at 3:00:41 AM

I don't really know, sorry. I am generally more interested in global impacts of climate change than the impacts on Switzerland, generally.

Euodiachloris Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Sep 22nd 2019 at 3:42:04 AM

[up]It's probably a safe bet. smile

I'm glad I saw the Rhone glacier when I did (big green-blue isn't so big anymore and, last I heard, they've quit carving general-visit caves in it for safety's sake). And, Les Diablerets (all-too swiftly melting to the point only the very peak will be a dead cert for snow all too soon). And Jongfraujoch — although that will probably be the very last of the sheets to go.

SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:29:52 PM

Or Pizol, which received a sort-of eulogy today. It's not completely gone but its ice mass is not large enough anymore to qualify as a "glacier".

danime91 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Sep 24th 2019 at 2:55:00 PM

Incoming heat wave in the Pacific is likely going to lead to another mass bleaching of Hawaii's coral reefs. And this after they were already rocked by a similar event back in 2015 from which they still haven't fully recovered.

It's really sad. Unless there's some big scientific breakthrough or a huge shift in political will toward fighting climate change worldwide soon, we're probably not going to have coral reefs anymore before we can get global warming under control. And I was really looking forward to taking my family to Hawaii on vacation someday to go snorkeling.

Sep 24th 2019 at 3:30:46 PM

There are people looking into breeding sturdier coral via the ones able to handle tougher enviromental issues with the ones that can't.

eagleoftheninth flying fish from the fish phylogeny Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
flying fish
Sep 24th 2019 at 4:14:03 PM

We've lost the Great Barrier Reef to bleaching already. If the Adani Carmichael coal mine project goes through, the port and waste disposal facilities are going to flatten what's left of it.

We are just an aberrant branch of fish evolution, after all.
SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Oct 1st 2019 at 1:14:49 PM

Someone did a paper about why climate change denialists tend to be wrong. Specifically, it seems like scientific research (or "research") often cited by climate change deniers tends to have some common issues, such as cherry-picking data points, leaving out important context or sloppily using models until they produce artifacts.

danime91 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Oct 1st 2019 at 1:53:22 PM

Eh, we pretty much knew that. Considering how ubiquitous the truth of climate change is, anybody who tries to use scientific data to deny it is working with bad data or in bad faith.

Oct 1st 2019 at 4:11:09 PM

Or are trying to play it off as something that humans aren't as involved in as we'd like to think.

danime91 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Oct 1st 2019 at 4:26:41 PM

That usually involves aforementioned bad data/bad faith, since all the data points to a drastic, ongoing rise in average global temperature starting from the Industrial Age, far outpacing any previous global climate shifts in both speed and magnitude. So anybody who tries to say that human activity isn't the major factor of climate change is a liar or a hack.

DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
Oct 1st 2019 at 4:50:07 PM

Or afraid of the truth.

I do not compromise—I synthesize.
Oct 1st 2019 at 5:22:35 PM

I once came across a very old piece of newspaper from the late 1800s somewhere that actually had the writer worried about what would happen to future generations when it happens if they donlt do something.

And honestly considering the stuff you can find laying around from even a hundred years ago(Angel/Devil Shipping art managed to get in the newspaers in the 1920s!) I wouldn't be surprised if it was real.

Pseudopartition from The Cretaceous Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oct 1st 2019 at 7:42:54 PM

Or are trying to play it off as something that humans aren't as involved in as we'd like to think.
Deniers seem to be very fond of moving goalposts. First climate warming wasn't happening, then "but they predicted an ice age 40 years ago! so clearly their predictions are useless," then it was happening but humans weren't the primary cause. Now it's China and India's fault, apparently. note  I'm sure we'll start to see a shift to "well, it's too late to do anything anyway," if that hasn't happened already.

Edited by Pseudopartition on Oct 1st 2019 at 9:50:42 AM


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