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Mort08 Pirate AND writer! from Oklahoma Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#201: Dec 30th 2011 at 9:51:26 PM

[up][up]What about that idea where there was gonna be an alternate universe that had Four surviving the events of Logopolis?

edited 30th Dec '11 9:51:55 PM by Mort08

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FallenLegend Trickster. from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
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#202: Dec 30th 2011 at 10:20:21 PM

I want Ten back! perhaps he will return as handyman.

edited 30th Dec '11 10:20:47 PM by FallenLegend

Make your hearth shine through the darkest night; let it transform hate into kindness, evil into justice, and loneliness into love.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#203: Dec 30th 2011 at 11:10:19 PM

Oo! We've been doing a lot of talking about bringing old characters and plot elements out of the woodwork, but MUSIC. There's a topic. If there is one old piece of Who music I'd love to be redone for the anniversary, it's this. First time I ever really noticed Who music aside the theme song, made my hair stand up on end...

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
piccorotto Pretty sure it's aliens from outer space, probably Since: Aug, 2009
Pretty sure it's aliens
#204: Dec 30th 2011 at 11:14:56 PM

[up] I will always be astounded by that bit of music, even if I haven't seen the associated story. Dat percussion...

Medicus Sierra 117 from Australia Since: Sep, 2009
Sierra 117
#206: Dec 30th 2011 at 11:50:32 PM

Ten should only be brought back for a Multi-Doctor special.

For some reason I really like the idea of Doctor/Romana, though I've never seen any of those episodes. Hmm.

It's not over. Not yet.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#207: Dec 31st 2011 at 12:00:02 AM

[up]It's mostly that Baker and Ward have really good chemistry. They bounce off each other well and manage to be totally batty in ways that sort of counterbalance each other.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Sporkaganza I'm glasses. Since: May, 2009
I'm glasses.
#208: Dec 31st 2011 at 12:02:58 AM

[up][up]You probably like it because from the way people talk about it, it sounds to you like Doctor/River with all the suck removed.

Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember them, you are not alone.
Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#209: Dec 31st 2011 at 12:26:16 AM

Both Romanas were particularly good. Mary Tam isn't as popular due to her decreased time in the role, but she gives a particularly clever performance by cleverly reinterpreting her role as audience surrogate. Instead of playing a character who had to have the plot and circumstances explained to them and who'd discover the show's world along with the audience, Tam created a character who knew exactly how shitty the show could often be, acknowledged its problems, and seemed to argue that the entire thing was still worthwhile. Lalla Ward just continually had fun, and gave a performance that encouraged a breezy laissez-faire attitude that the Williams Era would foster at the best of times.

The two together probably provided the single strongest companion character (on television) until Ace. (Though Peri and Nyssa particularly have managed to be redeemed by Big Finish, while Ace has, if anything, travelled quickly and perhaps irrevocably downhill.) I don't know if anyone in this thread has been exposed to those reinterpretations, but the development those two characters have had is absolutely staggering. And for anyone who's interested in the show's development, or in writing in general, I highly recommend checking out Cryptobiosis, ...ish, The Axis Of Insanity and The Reaping for Peri, and Creatures Of Beauty, Spare Parts, Primeval and Circular Time for Nyssa.)

Possibly two of the more amazing cases of character resuscitation I've ever seen — at least Colin Baker and Mel had traits, however annoying/problematic. These two were bland as bland can be, but managed to become fully developed, dynamic, multi-dimensional characters. And I'm not arguing this as a fanboy. Well, not purely.

/Gush.

Edit: And just to be more on topic, for Who's 50fthy, I just want something simple. A stand-alone story. The Doctor, plus a completely new person, in a one-off. They meet the Doctor, solve some crisis (preferably something small) and then the Doctor leaves them a better person. That's what the show's about, to me. I've never been a fan of the epics, I've always been more of a Human Nature/SLEEPY/Return Of The Living Dad kind of guy. Something quiet and contemplative would do me just fine.

edited 31st Dec '11 12:54:31 AM by Nicknacks

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Medicus Sierra 117 from Australia Since: Sep, 2009
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#210: Dec 31st 2011 at 12:53:44 AM

I've read a little online of Peri's character development. A lot of it seems to be of the "make the pretty girl suffer to make her more likable", if you get me.

It's not over. Not yet.
Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#211: Dec 31st 2011 at 1:11:12 AM

A little. Some of it's useful to join some of the dots together — there's something a little worrying about her decisions to travel in time with a man who tried to strangle her, and then to go marry an abusive, Neanderthal-ic warlord. There's liking the bad boys, and then there's that. Plus her uncle is way sketchy. But it can go a little too far.

But there's a good amount of making her a gutsy, impulsive, think later, act first girl whose willingness to stick to her beliefs occasionally overrides her sense of self-preservation, who thinks she's open to new ideas, but is quickly grasping the fact that she doesn't know as much as she thought she did and is trying to come to terms with her own judgemental anger and prickly nature (which, yes, is implied to stem from sexual abuse). There's a fantastic sequence in Cryptobiosis where she throws herself in front of a gun wielding mad man and forces him to stand down through sheer fury and a passionate need for justice. What makes it fantastic — and it is, it really is. It's one of the best companion moments the show ever did — is that it's clearly a pointless act, and she knows it, but she does it anyway because she's so furious at all the pointless death around her that she just doesn't care anymore. She's going to get justice, dammit, and she doesn't care if she gets shot in the process.

It's part of what the EU's doing to make her asspull transformation into a Warrior Queen not so much an asspull, but a logical endpoint to her characterisation.

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karasu91 Who, *moi*? from Sol 3 (Gaia), Milky Way Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Who, *moi*?
#212: Dec 31st 2011 at 5:24:14 AM

To add to my "fused timelines"*

suggestion: We would also see alternate versions of the Doctor, played by other actors - since the new incarnation's appearance seems in part to depend on the circustances of the previous one's demise, we could see the roads not taken - a Sixth Doctor played by Stephen Fry, a Ninth Doctor played by Alan Rickman... you know, all the possible awesome. And, hidden amongst those, pretending to be just another one of these alternate incarnations: the Twelfth Doctor. Now to make a plot going with that and allowing for equal screentime for all without pushing it too far...

Let me explain! ...No, there is too much. Let me sum up!
piccorotto Pretty sure it's aliens from outer space, probably Since: Aug, 2009
Pretty sure it's aliens
#213: Dec 31st 2011 at 7:02:02 AM

[up]Good astounded or bad astounded?

Awesome astounded. Like I said, that percussion section. Is just the most amazingly suspenseful sci-fi sounding thing ever. I wish there more music like that in Nu Who. I love the idea of re-using Classic music (or at least having Gold re-arrange it) for the anniversary.

FallenLegend Trickster. from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
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#214: Dec 31st 2011 at 9:01:03 AM

I am the doctor music? Ten making a comeback?

Shut up and take my money!!

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Mort08 Pirate AND writer! from Oklahoma Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#215: Dec 31st 2011 at 9:07:39 AM

We're just speculating. But I do hope for both of those things. grin

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karasu91 Who, *moi*? from Sol 3 (Gaia), Milky Way Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Who, *moi*?
#216: Dec 31st 2011 at 9:08:49 AM

There used to be a very well done mashup of the Season 4 and the Season 5-6 DW opening theme - can't find it anywhere now. But what I'd really like to hear is a mix between I Am The Doctor and The Doctor's Theme... I wish I knew how to do it myself.

edited 31st Dec '11 9:10:11 AM by karasu91

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#217: Dec 31st 2011 at 9:46:26 AM

And just to be more on topic, for Who's 50fthy, I just want something simple. A stand-alone story. The Doctor, plus a completely new person, in a one-off. They meet the Doctor, solve some crisis (preferably something small) and then the Doctor leaves them a better person.
Like epics or not, this doesn't make sense to me. This could easily be done for any episode of the show, and in fact has been. And there's nothing wrong with that, but this is the episode's 50th anniversary. A celebration of half a decade of history and world-building and good times and bad. The anniversary should be something that tips its hat to most of it, and doing something small and quiet would make that extraordinarily difficult. In short, they can do quiet and contemplative any day of the week, but this anniversary is an excuse to go all out crazy with Continuity Porn and not get called on it.

Incidentally, if they can find some way to condense all the awesomeness of this into 30-45 seconds, it should be used as the opening. (With Matt Smith stuffs added, naturally.)

edited 31st Dec '11 9:51:40 AM by Wackd

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FallenLegend Trickster. from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
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#218: Dec 31st 2011 at 1:19:12 PM

[up]I agree with you If there is one thing I don't want is the special episode being an average episode (if not then what's the point?).

edited 31st Dec '11 1:19:37 PM by FallenLegend

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#219: Dec 31st 2011 at 9:40:17 PM

It doesn't have to be average. I just prefer frock over gun. (which the series doesn't do very much at all)

edited 31st Dec '11 9:41:02 PM by Nicknacks

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#220: Jan 28th 2012 at 11:12:42 AM

[up]No, but see my point is they can do an episode like that any time they want. There's no special reason for that to be the entirty of the fiftieth celebration.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Laura from Shintolin Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#221: Feb 10th 2012 at 12:07:34 AM

No one story is going to be the entire anniversary celebration. Don't worry.

I'd like more stories like that in general, but I do agree that the fiftieth should be big.

He's the Doctor. He could be anywhere in time and space.
TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#222: Feb 10th 2012 at 12:32:26 AM

Ooh. An entire season where every/most episode is a standalone with some relevance to the Who zeitgeist, building to a four-episode multi-Doctor finale, with the Doctor's entire existence (and thus all the good he's ever done) in the balance.

... what if he finds himself having to choose between keeping himself from being erased from history or all the (other)good Time Lords coming back?

edited 10th Feb '12 12:32:41 AM by TParadox

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UltimatelySubjective Since: Jun, 2011
#223: Feb 10th 2012 at 2:44:01 AM

Good Time Lords? I think you'll find that they've all been retconned as insane because it's twice as tragic for Ten.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#224: Feb 10th 2012 at 6:51:48 AM

[up]Um, what? I think Rassilon was just threatening them into going along with his insane plan, not that all the Time Lords were insane enough to want him to succeed. Would you go up against a guy who can turn you to dust with a flick of his wrist?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#225: Feb 10th 2012 at 7:49:47 AM

The Corsair was a good Time Lord. Granted, he got om nom nom'd but his existence proves that there were non-asshole ones. Plus, that one face covered up Time Lord who isn't not the Doctor's mother or whatever was a good one too. Who could somehow project herself outside the Time Lock. Yeah.

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