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#201: Apr 22nd 2013 at 1:45:11 AM

[up]That's not how I understood it. From the comic it looks like he always had a love/hate relationship with his audience, and just lampshaded it.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Khantalas E-Who-Must-Not-Be-Gendered from More sheep than people (Before Time Began) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
E-Who-Must-Not-Be-Gendered
#202: Apr 22nd 2013 at 1:57:01 AM

We'll, we've seen him do standup twice before. One was before the comic started, chronologically, and the other had him get along pretty well with the audience. I don't think he would still be doing stand-up with an audience like this, because how would it be any different from his life at Shortpacked!?

Gvzbgul from Middle Earth Since: Jul, 2010
#203: Apr 22nd 2013 at 2:50:20 AM

I think that's the point, while he obviously got very tired of the whole thing day in day out at Shortpacked he enjoys it (and to be honest, who doesn't enjoy pointing out other people's wrong opinions and ideas) and stand-up is a place where he can argue with people on his own terms.

edited 22nd Apr '13 2:51:31 AM by Gvzbgul

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#204: Apr 22nd 2013 at 5:00:38 AM

Yeah, I don't think any comic, no matter how good, will always be in a heckler-free environment, especially when testing new material. Ethan's audience may mostly cooperate but that's a coincidence, not something that can be helped.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Desertopa Not Actually Indie Since: Jan, 2001
Not Actually Indie
#206: Apr 22nd 2013 at 11:24:22 PM

He's seriously not going to be in Shortpacked anymore? I kind of figured even if he was leaving the store, at least he'd be staying in the other cast members' social circles.

...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#207: Apr 22nd 2013 at 11:37:48 PM

[up]I figured he will be like Mike and Amber. He won't appear as much anymore, but he is still there. He can come back as a supporting character in a story line if needed and even appear in one page gags.

edited 22nd Apr '13 11:38:07 PM by Heatth

Khantalas E-Who-Must-Not-Be-Gendered from More sheep than people (Before Time Began) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
E-Who-Must-Not-Be-Gendered
#208: Apr 23rd 2013 at 2:00:07 AM

So I was wrong.

This feels... anticlimactic. Like, sure, Ethan was getting sort of superfluous, but it still doesn't feel like his story is complete, like Amber's was (Mike didn't have a story so much as he carved a path of destruction through the plot).

Ah well. Onwards and upwards.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#209: Apr 23rd 2013 at 9:41:11 AM

I think the difference is that Amber has serious issues that she needed to get over to live a fulfilling life. Her meekness was holding her back to an absurd degree and it was only when she learned to interact with the world more on her own terms that she really became happy.

But Ethan's never really seemed unhappy or unfulfilled. Frustrated, sure, but there was never any quirk of his personality that needed to be excised beyond, perhaps, his self-righteousness—and here he is, learning that conflict is not a constant and that he doesn't need to listen to every misinformed opinion that comes out of someone's mouth.

Multiplex author Gordon McAlpin once said of his main character Jason that "his arc is never going to be that he stops being a jerk, but that he becomes a more open-minded jerk. People don't change that radically."*

That same logic applies to Ethan—he's never going to "evolve" beyond his toy obsession, or any of the other things that make Ethan Ethan. It just doesn't work.

I feel this conclusion is pretty satisfactory. I mean, I take a bit of issue with the fact that the build-up happened mostly in one-off comics that seemed to come in after weeks of Ethan being completely sidelined, but I deeply suspect it's the sort of thing that'll work better for me in an Archive Binge.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#210: Apr 23rd 2013 at 9:19:21 PM

One of us! One of us!

Malaya is officially a nerd now.tongue

edited 23rd Apr '13 9:19:30 PM by Heatth

nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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#212: Apr 29th 2013 at 9:56:06 AM

I read that and I REALLY don't even know.

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#213: Apr 29th 2013 at 10:24:02 AM

That guy's history is terrible.

Homosexuals weren't invented until the '70s. And Lincoln didn't die on a battlefield in World War Two, he died when he rode a nuclear bomb into Moscow and killed Hitler.

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#214: Apr 30th 2013 at 8:48:43 AM

Apparently at least somewhat based on this.

nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Gamer-turning-maker
#215: Apr 30th 2013 at 9:45:27 AM

... what

Long live Cinematech. FC:0259-0435-4987
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#216: Apr 30th 2013 at 9:51:20 AM

...What, did you think he pulled that rant completely out of his arse? I mean, some of it he added, but the basic rant is the same. Heck, some of the word choice is similar.

edited 30th Apr '13 9:51:28 AM by deathpigeon

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#217: Apr 30th 2013 at 10:15:41 AM

Strawman is only a valid criticism when it's not true, it seems O_o

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#218: Apr 30th 2013 at 12:43:17 PM

[up]Well, yeah. If you're constructing a strawman argument you're making up the opposition's argument. Therefore if the argument is something someone actually said, it's not a strawman.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#219: May 16th 2013 at 9:27:05 PM

Tokenism.

Yeah, this whole discussion is silly. I want to say the complainers are probably just purists, instead of racists, but I actually seem them talking.

Incidentally, I really hope they do make Sue black as well. I have the feeling they might not too, however, which would be infuriating. And it would kinda prove the "dangers of tokenism" guys right.

Khantalas E-Who-Must-Not-Be-Gendered from More sheep than people (Before Time Began) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
E-Who-Must-Not-Be-Gendered
#220: May 17th 2013 at 1:20:38 AM

So wait I completely missed this is this happening in comic books or is there a movie coming out?

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#222: May 17th 2013 at 7:42:46 AM

Nyuuuu our resident hot chick isn't gonna be white ewwwww.

-_-

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#223: May 17th 2013 at 10:26:12 AM

Have Sue even confirmed to be black as well? I feel like these stupid guys are complaining for nothing. I don't trust Hollywood to have a black main heroine, sadly. =/

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#224: May 17th 2013 at 3:35:37 PM

Has Johnny even actually been confirmed as black? I thought that was still just a rumour.

For my part, the purist in me wants to object, but then the more rational side of me says, "Shut the fuck up, it's not a big deal. It's no worse than making Jane Foster a scientist instead of a nurse."

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#225: May 17th 2013 at 3:45:43 PM

[up]Your opinion is mine own as well. tongue I dislike changes by default, but I know very well they are inevitable and, for the most part, they don't really mean much.

About Johnny, no idea. People were complaining so much I thought it was already settled.

edited 17th May '13 3:48:27 PM by Heatth


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