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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Aug 8th 2019 at 3:09:38 PM

I see. I do agree that a lot of the time LGBT relationships are kind of saccharine in fiction. I guess for me I'm just so tired of the holding pattern these two are in, and the constant drama bombs. They keep having vicious fights and these make up periods where nothing gets solved and then things repeat. It's not necessarily the context of the relationship that bothers me anymore, but the repetition of their actual actions.

I like Billie and Ruth a lot as characters, but their chemistry burnt out a long time ago for me and now they're just kind of depressed jerks repeatedly making each other miserable. I'm at the point where I just want the romance to either end or for them to stop being in this type of relationship because it's gotten so old for me. Ruth is a personal fave of mine so, with or without Billie, I want her to grow out of being the person she is right now in these last few strips and move back to her depression and clawing attempts at dealing with her re-emerging emotional faculties. That scene in the showers where Ruth literally cannot stop herself from crying over how her life has gone? That was great, I want more of that instead of this, because we've already gone over it.

But, I understand finding validity in seeing yourself in fiction. That's why Dina's such a big deal to me and one of my favorite characters.

TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Aug 8th 2019 at 3:27:42 PM

I mean... it's a clearly toxic relationship, though. And it's not doing either of them good. Sure, they love each other and it would be nice if they could overcome this, but ultimately it is still a toxic, unhealthy relationship, especially from Billie's side.

She's kind of right: she is poison. She repeatedly brushes off Ruth's attempts at fixing her life, constantly dragging her down and back into bad habits, frequently ignoring Ruth for the sake of what Billie herself wants, including actually breaking into her room in occasions such as this one, as well as refusing to take responsibility for herself and her own acts, and in a way, actually kinda gaslighting Ruth unintentionally, like, again, in this occasion.

And Ruth is no better at times. She used to be violent and confrontational, being actually kind of abusive to the woman she says she loves, and while she has clearly tried and in many ways succeeded at improving from that, she still carries out the same occasional toxic actions towards Billie that Billie does to her. Their entire relationship is a game of violence and mistreatment, and while that is the point in the narrative, that still does not make it a good relationship.

I get what you're saying and I agree with it, it's nice to see a relationship between two queer women who are allowed to be flawed without falling into stereotypes. But the flaws here are too serious, and their relationship is incredibly negative and toxic, even if neither of them really intends to be toxic. Both of them would be better off without the other at this point, preferably in two very different and as distant parts of the town from each other as possible, so they can focus on improving themselves and overcoming their respective issues without dragging each other down whenever they relapse.

Also, from a purely narrative standpoint, their narrative is essentially Ross and Rachel but more destructive at this point, with them constantly being mad at each other, breaking up, then jumping back together again, and a supposed love that the narrative seems to be pushing despite it seeming really clear sometimes that these two wouldn't last a week together if they didn't have all that additional drama complicating things. It's repetitive and adds little to the plot, and that's on top of being harmful and toxic.

Seriously, maybe it's just me, but at this point I can't see their relationship being a good thing, for them or for the narrative.

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Aug 9th 2019 at 2:58:14 PM

I think there's a Tim Curry song about this.

sgamer82 from Middleton, ID
Aug 9th 2019 at 10:24:00 PM Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
CEOIII C-E-O-3, H-N-I-C from Franklin, PA Relationship Status: In my bunk
C-E-O-3, H-N-I-C
Aug 10th 2019 at 10:54:57 PM

Let's all welcome Drew to the comic!

....so who the hell is this guy?

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Yinyang107 from the True North Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Aug 10th 2019 at 11:20:33 PM

In Shortpacked he was a guy Ethan dated for a while. They broke up.

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CEOIII C-E-O-3, H-N-I-C from Franklin, PA Relationship Status: In my bunk
C-E-O-3, H-N-I-C
Aug 11th 2019 at 12:16:55 PM

Amicably? Could Ethan have a stalker?

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CountofBleck I COME IN WITH THE GOONS! from A world of lies and deception Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Kayeka World's biggest wannabe from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
Aug 11th 2019 at 11:39:10 PM

Okay, seriously, Amber, someone that reads as many comic books as you do must know that this is obviously a trap.

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Aug 12th 2019 at 6:10:11 AM

I was thinking we might see some copycat Amazi-Girls.

TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Aug 12th 2019 at 6:20:21 AM

...didn't she quit at some point?

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Aug 12th 2019 at 6:25:22 AM

The last thing I remember was her throwing her mask away but I don't think she ever flat out said she was quitting.

Plus there's the Black Suit Spider-Man thing where Amazi-Girl is running around without Amber having any memories of it.

Adannor from effin' belarus Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Aug 12th 2019 at 6:43:18 AM

Yes, she quit, and tried channeling her aggro into more reasonable outlets than prowling the night seeking faces to punch.

However, "Well, I have to see what this fuss is about" is an easy self-justification and DOA seems to be running a dual storyline on themes of relapsing right now.

Edited by Adannor on Aug 12th 2019 at 5:09:58 PM

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Aug 12th 2019 at 6:52:47 AM

That's a good point. I didn't think of how this relates to Ruth and Billie.

TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Aug 12th 2019 at 9:14:28 PM

Oh hey, look!

It's Walky!

...I just really wanted to make that joke...

sgamer82 from Middleton, ID
Aug 12th 2019 at 9:17:09 PM

Weird as this may sound, I was legit thinking about The Ultraverse hero Night Man earlier today for no reason I can really think of.

[down]Yes

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 12th 2019 at 10:21:21 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Aug 12th 2019 at 9:19:25 PM

I wish I could tell whether or not Amazi-Girl is about wacky superhero shenanigans or Very Serious Trauma.

TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
sgamer82 from Middleton, ID
Aug 12th 2019 at 9:21:49 PM

[up]Great minds think alike.

As do we. grin

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
Aug 12th 2019 at 10:43:41 PM

I feel like there's something to be said for having wacky hijinks and deep-seated trauma go hand-in-hand. Probably happens more often than you'd think.

Oh God! Natural light!
sgamer82 from Middleton, ID
Aug 13th 2019 at 4:40:09 AM

In the case of Amber, one is a coping mechanism for the other.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Aug 13th 2019 at 6:24:42 AM

Let me put it this way. Ruth and Billie are intended to be two extremely troubled alcoholic kids. Usually this is played for drama, they fight and squabble and things get worse before they get better, but sometimes there's black humor about their situation.

With Amber/Amazi-Girl I just genuinely have no idea what the comic is trying to do or what tone it's trying to convey because it rapidly oscillates between wild extremes at the drop of a hat.

TParadox Relationship Status: I know
Aug 13th 2019 at 9:10:09 AM

It's a troubled young woman with an unhealthy coping mechanism for her neuroses until the cartoonist has a hankering to draw an action sequence again.

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Aug 13th 2019 at 5:01:46 PM

Oh god the action sequences. You're giving me flashbacks to the car chase.


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