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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#576: Sep 15th 2016 at 12:52:27 AM

Yeah, as far as I can tell, you get a receipt email with the digital rewards listed, but there's no download link. You have to head to your Backerkit survey page.

edited 15th Sep '16 12:57:21 AM by edvedd

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#577: Sep 15th 2016 at 7:52:19 AM

Soooooooo-ooooooooooooo when's the actual game gonna come out?

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#579: Sep 15th 2016 at 8:10:29 AM

Yep. 2017.

And finally managed to download the desktops.

edited 15th Sep '16 8:20:17 AM by theLibrarian

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#580: Sep 15th 2016 at 8:20:50 AM

From what I can tell their goal is April 2017

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#581: Sep 15th 2016 at 8:29:48 AM

I figure there might be a delay at some point, but what they have so far is solid.

edited 15th Sep '16 8:29:57 AM by edvedd

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#582: Sep 15th 2016 at 8:41:27 AM

Yeah, one good thing about them is that unlike a lot of other Kickstarter things they're constantly doing work streams so we can know that they're working on the game, rather than letting us go for months without updates.

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#583: Sep 15th 2016 at 9:17:14 AM

I still expect delays (99% chance with any crowdfunded project), though I imagine they'll be pretty upfront about it here.

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#584: Sep 15th 2016 at 9:26:49 AM

Ideally they'll release on time- they've been working consistently, there haven't been any major setbacks, and they've constantly showing and updating on their progress.

Most likely there will be a delay- almost entirely likely due to debugging and game testing. But I highly doubt Mediocre Number 5.8 Mighty Number 9 levels of delay (And quality)


I really want the vectors they used for all of the characters so I can make my own wallpapers.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#585: Sep 15th 2016 at 9:39:21 AM

I mean, Shantae recently got a few weeks of delay for debugging and testing. People won't mind.

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#586: Sep 15th 2016 at 9:40:19 AM

Well, that does assume their estimate is accurate. As someone who works with code, it's very difficult to get that right. If they haven't had any major problems or inconsistencies, then I expect it'll just be a 1-2-month delay.

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#587: Sep 15th 2016 at 9:52:33 AM

You guys should see how fans of "That Which Sleeps" have reacted to it being constantly delayed. I can understand that it's a very ambitious project and is only worked on by two people but they're getting into that "Kickstarters are scam artists" attitude again.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#588: Sep 15th 2016 at 10:14:01 AM

Sometimes, I feel like folks kind of underestimate the difficulty of making a game.

edited 15th Sep '16 10:16:05 AM by edvedd

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#589: Sep 15th 2016 at 10:14:09 AM

To be fair, constantly failing to deliver is a good reason to get angry. Crowdfunding is one of those rare arenas where one can get away with more than 1-2 delays. Even then, though, the bleeding-heart masses have their limit.

EDIT: [up] More like constantly. It's why I roll my eyes when spout crap about how no game is worth $50-60 and/or trivialize how much work goes into making them. Or course, the uninformed talking shit is nothing compared to the informed vastly underestimating the work they have to do and making promises they can't keep.

edited 15th Sep '16 10:17:05 AM by KuroiTsubasaTenshi

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#590: Sep 15th 2016 at 10:21:46 AM

[up]True. With crowdfunding, people invest more and the extra scrutiny is at least slightly warranted. The Bloodstained game got pretty heavily pushed back recently, but the team there are very open, so the blowback doesn't seem to have been too great. I don't think game crowdfunding's rep would survive another high-profile project imploding though.

Eh. For TFH, we're purely talkin' hypothetically at the moment anyway. It seems to be chugging along.

edited 15th Sep '16 10:23:35 AM by edvedd

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#591: Sep 15th 2016 at 10:26:29 AM

My question is where exactly did crowdfunded games get such a poor reputation? Obviously there was Mighty No. 9 but that attitude was around before that and I can't really think of anything high-profile tanking enough to warrant that.

edited 15th Sep '16 10:26:51 AM by LordVatek

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#592: Sep 15th 2016 at 10:40:55 AM

It's not necessarily one thing. Start with a fundamental distrust of handing some random people your cash, add a few smaller projects over the years that were victims of terrible mismanagement or seeming fraud. Stuff like Yogsventures, Beast's Fury (another anthro themed 2D fighter, concidentally), Code Hero... It builds up in people's minds. Many games made via crowdfunding do actually get done and done well, but it's hard to shake off the failures.

Mighty No. 9 was at least released, but the final result didn't really seem to justify the many delays or money invested, so it gets to be the poster child. Maybe that's not quite fair, but there you go.

edited 15th Sep '16 10:44:24 AM by edvedd

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#593: Sep 15th 2016 at 10:49:46 AM

Yeah, the main problem is a lot of these games are made by a small number of people who have to do everything themselves. Not to mention that one Kickstarter group that had to cancel their project because one guy's coworkers blew it all on hookers and partying.

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#594: Sep 15th 2016 at 10:50:34 AM

Eh. For TFH, we're purely talkin' hypothetically at the moment anyway. It seems to be chugging along.
Yeah, I was mostly talking in general. That is, people underestimate the work that goes into all games, often by a large margin and sometimes even by the devs in the industry itself.

And Ed's pretty much got it. All it takes is one dick actually scamming people to mess stuff up. Add onto that devs who grossly overestimate their ability or underestimate the work causing huge delays and releases that get massively overhyped only to fail to deliver when they do release and... well, it's not hard to see why people are finally starting to see the significant risks in crowdfunding. It's basically Investing 101 and these people are learning it firsthand.

edited 15th Sep '16 10:57:18 AM by KuroiTsubasaTenshi

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#595: Sep 18th 2016 at 8:17:16 PM

[up][up][up][up] There was the mismanagement of Double Fine's game Broken Age (YMMV on "mismanaged," but they raised 3 mil on a game that could have been a lot better).

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#596: Sep 29th 2016 at 7:58:47 AM

There was also some arguments about the legal wording Schafer injected into his fundraiser for Psychonauts 2.

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#597: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:02:30 AM

Not to mention the horrible mess that is the Homestuck kickstarter

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#598: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:12:26 AM

One other one that might make people wary, not because it had a Kickstarter (because I'm reasonably sure it didn't), but because it involved skeezy advertising and indie devs possibly being way overestimating themselves (if not outright lying): No Man's Sky. It's bad enough that they're being investigated by an advertisement board.

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#599: Mar 20th 2017 at 5:20:29 PM

Important game update!

tl;dr.

  • Game delayed by about one month (End of April>End of May) for extra polish time.
  • Game nearly done! Progress can be seen at the forums or the streams.
  • Backer’s Beta happening mid to late April
  • Union Voice Talent a possibility. This is good.
  • Work Stream happening as usual. Timed for this Friday, March 24. In this link.

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