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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#126: Sep 6th 2011 at 12:16:02 PM

That might work. It does imply that the interior would therefore not be icy.

Skyhawk431 Skyhawk 431 from Ireland Since: Jun, 2011
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#127: Sep 6th 2011 at 12:35:31 PM

If this is anime only (which makes no sense in the first place as it appears all over the place) why are the pictures of a Western Show?

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#128: Sep 6th 2011 at 12:36:54 PM

It's not anime only. Fast Eddie decided it was and nuked all the non-anime examples.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#129: Sep 6th 2011 at 12:39:43 PM

It's not. That's why we're renaming it and moving the old version of the page there. Then Eddie will redirect this one.

Why don't we make up a sandbox version of the trope to put things back together and to tweak the definition so that there's not so much gratuitous Japanese?

edited 6th Sep '11 12:40:47 PM by shimaspawn

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Quadhelix Since: May, 2010
#130: Sep 6th 2011 at 12:56:45 PM

[up]The only "gratuitous" Japanese on the page is either a) other trope titles or (b invoking the title of the trope (e.g., "She comes off as "kuu-" (cool)").

In any case, for alternative titles, what about "Aloof Wallflower"?

Myrmidon The Ant King from In Antartica Since: Nov, 2009
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#131: Sep 6th 2011 at 1:04:10 PM

Isn't this basically just Defrosting Ice Queen, which we already have?

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Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#132: Sep 6th 2011 at 1:10:20 PM

No this character remains icy while still being loving, also Defrosting Ice Queen is closer to Tsun Dere than Kuudere. Related but not the same.

Plus Kuudere seems to be more well thought out in it's description and also details different types and ways the warmness comes out. If anything Defrosting Ice Queen seems like it be better as a sub-trope of this.

edited 6th Sep '11 1:26:35 PM by Vyctorian

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Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
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#133: Sep 6th 2011 at 2:08:15 PM

I personally think the obsession with 'this has to be a love interest' is misplaced. Generally it requires a relationship for the inner warmth to show occasionally, just because the "kuudere" is very armored against the outside world — of course they won't show this to strangers! It requires something to get through — which generally involves having feelings for someone, whether it's for a love interest, a friendship, or indeed parental-type feelings, whether for a child, an animal, or whatever.

Right now, this is different from Defrosting Ice Queen in that (a) the inner warmth may be there all along, and (b) there is no requirement for the general "armored heart" thing to go away in a general sense.

Part of the problem with the anime-fandom-specific names, to my mind, is that they tend to pick up and get conflated with aspects of Japanese culture or other tropes common to Japanese media, which let the core, simple concept get loaded up with all kinds of baggage until it can't be applied to works that aren't Japanese or influenced by Japanese tropes.

I think I see that happening here, and this is one big reason why I prefer an English-language name for this.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#134: Sep 6th 2011 at 2:51:20 PM

Should we get an alt-titles crowner up? I realize its a bit early, but there's only one option in the green (which does have supermajority, if only barely), and "keep it as Eddie changed it" is at absolute lowest.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#135: Sep 6th 2011 at 2:52:18 PM

Yeah, and this is definitely a case where admin power is supporting a rename. With a 2:1 consensus and that kind of backing we might as well hurry things up.

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#136: Sep 6th 2011 at 3:14:14 PM

I made and hooked a blank crowner.

I don't know if it's been noted already in this thread, but there's already an old alt-title crowner, which still seems to be active.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#137: Sep 6th 2011 at 3:17:23 PM

Don't think it was mentioned. That one should probably be locked, its pretty old. Isn't that the one Eddie overrided and said Kuudere was the only option?

Whatever. I added the three choices on the old crowner to the new one.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#139: Sep 6th 2011 at 4:05:03 PM

Icy Exterior doesn't actually convey that the interior is warm/kind, as opposed to... well, a mess of Ax-Crazy Unstoppable Rage (like Yandere or Yangire). I propose changing it to Icy Exterior Warm Heart for clarity.

edited 6th Sep '11 4:05:27 PM by MarqFJA

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#140: Sep 6th 2011 at 4:06:49 PM

I suggest Snowy Sweeetheart. Sweetheart can refer to both the "warm" part of the personality and the love interest factor, and the snowy of course refers to the icy side.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#141: Sep 6th 2011 at 4:07:36 PM

Trope does not have to be romantic, thus I cannot agree with Snowy Sweetheart.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#142: Sep 6th 2011 at 4:37:18 PM

I added Snowy Sweetie, which I think removes the romantic implications.

Also, whoever changed Icy Exterior to Icy Exterior Warm Heart, you can't change an option after people voted on it.

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Acebrock He/Him from So-Cal Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over
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#143: Sep 6th 2011 at 4:45:09 PM

It may just be me, but when I hear Snowy Sweetie I think of ice cream with candy in it.

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Aldheim Since: Sep, 2010
#145: Sep 6th 2011 at 5:37:17 PM

Cold Outside Sweet Inside? If it has to be changed, I feel like that's a quick description that isn't cloying.

Falco Since: Mar, 2011
#146: Sep 6th 2011 at 6:38:10 PM

Ice Covering Warmth? Ice Hiding Warmth?

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Aldheim Since: Sep, 2010
#147: Sep 6th 2011 at 6:50:44 PM

[up] Those make me think of Iceland, not a girl.

LordGriffin Since: Sep, 2010
#148: Sep 6th 2011 at 7:08:38 PM

Okay, after a journey through thesaurus land, the best I can do is: Dispassionate Darling. Any takers on that one?

Acebrock He/Him from So-Cal Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over
He/Him
#149: Sep 6th 2011 at 7:11:18 PM

Add it. The add new button is at the bottom of the crowner

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LordGriffin Since: Sep, 2010
#150: Sep 6th 2011 at 7:15:47 PM

It's a really bad sign that a freshly added suggestion pretty much starts in the number 2 place on such a long list.

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15th Sep '11 3:53:00 PM

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Final crowner for the trope formerly known as Kuudere. Do not add more titles to this crowner.

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