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Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#876: Sep 13th 2011 at 2:58:31 PM

Subtypes aren't subtropes , they wouldn't work as sub tropes due to being The Same But More we can't launch a new YTTKW for them.

They are variants of the trope formerly known as Kuudere. Much like how it's cousion Tsun Dere has sub-types.

It's a complex trope but not complex enough to justify a total split, however removing those variants leaves examples that no longer fit the new definition but do in-fact count as one of the three variants but each variant isn't big enough on it's own to be a sub-trope.

These aren't tactics these are variants just like how Tsundere has variant types.

edited 13th Sep '11 3:00:12 PM by Vyctorian

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20LogRoot10 Since: Aug, 2011
#877: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:08:28 PM

[up]I'm all for leaving the variantions - there is(or was) a section on tactics that I feel fits better on an analysis page, but which Nocturna added back to the sandbox I started. Since Fast Eddy's killed the section from the kuudere page, I'll go ahead and redo my sandbox to have them on a subpage.

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Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#878: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:11:15 PM

[up]I like it , by the way which name won the crowner?

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Discovery from A Galaxy Far Far Away Since: Jun, 2011
#879: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:15:09 PM

[up]It's here, if you want to take a look.

[down]Oh, I thought they meant what were the standings like before it was disconnected (I was curious too, since I missed all the action.) My bad.

edited 13th Sep '11 3:27:15 PM by Discovery

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#880: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:21:18 PM

No name won the crowner. It's to be decided later.

20LogRoot10 Since: Aug, 2011
#881: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:28:22 PM

Okay, all done. I also switched out page quotes(I'd just rather avoid one that calls out a mask-wearing case unless we decide to limit the trope to such cases) and restored the note on "kuudere"(is there really enough to say on that for a page without duplicating the trope's description?).

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#882: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:36:25 PM

Took out the Japanese from Sandbox.Girl Who Acts Very Distant But Is Actually Quite Nice, if that is draft we're working on. It should be de-gendered, like the current kuudere.

edited 13th Sep '11 3:36:54 PM by FastEddie

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#883: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:38:36 PM

Can we blank one of the sandboxes? Having two is just confusing matters.

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#884: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:49:06 PM

[up][up]Those sub-types are needed, it isn't analysis or tactics. Those are variants which are universal, not just Japanese.

There for the need to be on the trope page or else examples that do currently fit this trope would have to be purged, when they do fit this trope or more a variant of this trope.

Said variants are not big enough to have their own sub-tropes either.

On a side note though - 100% for degendering it.

edited 13th Sep '11 3:53:08 PM by Vyctorian

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#885: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:54:52 PM

nevermind

edited 13th Sep '11 3:55:12 PM by FastEddie

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DisasterGrind Since: May, 2012
#886: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:55:08 PM

Edit: Removed a stupid question.

edited 13th Sep '11 4:05:51 PM by DisasterGrind

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#887: Sep 13th 2011 at 3:57:13 PM

What subtype are these? The "___dere" stuff I removed from the sandboxed article? Those aren't universal.

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Discovery from A Galaxy Far Far Away Since: Jun, 2011
#888: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:10:46 PM

[up]The subtypes are the type 1, type 2, and type 3 that are mentioned in the sandbox. (Type 1 is Always in Control, Type 2 is Once You Get To Know Her, and 3 is She Has Moods.)

edited 13th Sep '11 4:11:16 PM by Discovery

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#889: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:14:27 PM

And, according to Sackett, who wrote most of this, the variants aren't exhaustive, merely demonstrating some less common ways to play the trope. The simplest is basically 'Tsundere, cold/apathetic instead of angry'.

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#890: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:38:53 PM

[up][up]exactly.

I'd argue the analysis page is less analysis and more sub-types but as along as it's still there in the analysis tab, I'm fine with this sandbox.

edited 13th Sep '11 4:42:44 PM by Vyctorian

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Worldmaker Title? What Title? Since: Jun, 2010
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#891: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:39:24 PM

And for the record, I'll let everyone slide on the five bucks you all owe me.

Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#892: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:42:35 PM

The "___dere" paragraph which was removed from the article was actually the compare/contrast paragraph of the trope. Here's a possible re-write, removing some of the not-so-relevant links:

Compare Not So Stoic and Stoic Woobie. Related to Beneath the Mask. Sister Trope to Tsundere (angry outside, sweet inside and vice-versa), Yandere (sweet outside, Ax-Crazy inside), and Cute and Psycho (sweet outside, insane inside).

Would that pass muster?

EDIT: Removed Dandere.

edited 13th Sep '11 4:58:15 PM by Nocturna

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#893: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:46:35 PM

No. It perpetuates that ___dere junk.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#894: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:48:44 PM

...But it is related to them.

Oh, and dandere doesn't need to be mentioned at all.

edited 13th Sep '11 4:49:24 PM by Arha

Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#895: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:52:07 PM

[up] yeah It is one of the 3 switching tropes.

Dandere ummm we need to fix up that Fan Speak page before we link it anywhere so yeah to removing that till then...

edited 13th Sep '11 4:53:23 PM by Raso

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Jordan Azor Ahai from Westeros Since: Jan, 2001
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#896: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:54:01 PM

Is there any food that could be used as a metaphor that is cold on the outside and warm on the inside?

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#897: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:54:36 PM

Deep fried ice cream. I am told it exists.

Jordan Azor Ahai from Westeros Since: Jan, 2001
Azor Ahai
#898: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:57:22 PM

I was thinking that but realized that's warm on the outside, cold on the inside.

Hodor
Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#899: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:57:54 PM

[up][up]It does, I made it with a friend.

edited 13th Sep '11 4:58:10 PM by Vyctorian

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#900: Sep 13th 2011 at 5:00:39 PM

...Poorly microwaved frozen food?

AlternativeTitles: KuudereTake4
15th Sep '11 3:53:00 PM

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Final crowner for the trope formerly known as Kuudere. Do not add more titles to this crowner.

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