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#101: Sep 7th 2011 at 5:08:15 PM

[up]Wolverine making Quentin less stupid would be cool, I wonder how mature he can make the kid to be. Then he would need to work on his obvious ethic problems. And basic differentiation from 'bad' to 'good'. I still wonder why the hell would anyone make him an official X-Man, however. But I guess this teasers can only be showing important characters for the book, not the official team members.

[up][up]I think I will pass that one. Bile Fascination is tempting me, but I think I have better things to sink my time in.tongue

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#102: Sep 7th 2011 at 8:19:23 PM

Perhaps they'll keep Quentin on a high-tech leash until he grows the #@(*@$) up. The X-Men allowed Sabretooth onto their team on two separate occasions with the same precautions, and he's worse than Quentin will ever be.

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#103: Sep 8th 2011 at 1:40:43 AM

[up]not sure Sabretooth is worse. I mean, at last it is usually obvious when this guy is doing something bad. Quentin is a telepath, his influence can be a lot subtler. For one thing, they would need at last another telepath in the team just to keep on track on whatever countermeasure they put in Quenting head. And they would need to pray for Quentin don't jst control said telepath first thing after breaking his chains.

Telepathy is a very dangerous power because you never knows when it is in action.

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#105: Sep 8th 2011 at 6:36:10 AM

Quentin's just a powerful kid with poor impulse-control problems and BIG adolescent ideas. Sabretooth is a psychotic mass-murderer who delights in inflicting pain and death.

Plus, Wolvie's team needs a telepath, and I don't think the Cuckoos will leave Scott or Emma. The only other telepaths are Psyloke (who is with X-Force) and Martha Johansson, who is too awesome and badass for any team.

Also, is that Sebastian freakin' Shaw in Generation Hope? Where's Oya?

edited 8th Sep '11 6:48:14 AM by Canidaemon

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#106: Sep 8th 2011 at 6:53:39 AM

I, for one, liked that issues of Astonishing X-Men, art was nice and character asassination wasn't that bad. Sure, there were problems with Forge, but countinuity geek like me found a nice explanation for them easily.

Oh, and any words about cast of New X-Men? Where they side after Schism?

edited 8th Sep '11 6:54:25 AM by PrimoVictoria

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#107: Sep 8th 2011 at 6:59:59 AM

[up] There's actually no word on any X-kids whatsoever apart from Quentin.

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#108: Sep 8th 2011 at 7:15:44 AM

[up][up][up]Again, having as the main telepath the one kid with poor morality and ethics is a big bad idea. I know all all X-Men are supposed to have some telepathy defense training, but Kid Omega is also supposed to be stupidly powerful. And has shown inclination to mind rapping people. At last you can see when Sabretooth (or Mystique, or most of the other villain X-Men) is going psychotic. you can't be so sure if Quire is controlling you or not. It would be like trusting in Empath as a regular member (another stupid mind-rapist teenager), except Empath is actually way less powerful.

Edit:Yeah, it is Shaw there. He was the first to be revealed for that cover, in fact (weird, since he is the only not obvious shadow). Your guess is as good as mine. He have been mind wiped, but is that enough for trusting on him to be with the Messiah?

[up][up][up][up]No surprise here. Except I lost my hope the flying figure would be Cannonball (where is he, incidentally). When did the girl made of molten rock started flying, again? Pretty sure it wasn't part of her original powers (and, heck, neither Marvel.com, nor Marvel wiki nor Wikipedia list 'flight' in her power set).

[up][up]I wanted to know that as well. I loved the New X-Men book and its character. It is really sad to see them casted away so easily. I thought they would appear a bit more in X-23's book, but then she moved away (and without even exploring her relationship with Mercury, no less).

I will pick up on Astonishing again then. Hopefully my tastes are closer to you then to Hamburger.

[up]Speaking on that, you can't really use Quire without exploring his relationship with his previous gang (and the students, in general), can you? It is not like there is much more of his background to use. Where are them, incidentally? Still alive? And, of course, there should be something about what Three-In-One think about the whole situation, I guess.

edited 8th Sep '11 7:19:45 AM by Heatth

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#109: Sep 8th 2011 at 7:24:41 AM

Hmm..Colossinaut?

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#110: Sep 8th 2011 at 7:27:59 AM

Hmm. Now that picture of the Blue Team raises some questions. I wonder why Storm, Psylocke, Jubilee, and Domino are on Cyclops's team? I mean, those four have a history with Wolverine, do they not?

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#111: Sep 8th 2011 at 7:32:35 AM

Storm, Psylocke, Jubilee and Domino are on the X-men comic. We don't know if they're living in Scott's Utopia or Wolverine's School. Hell, they could be living in Wakanda for all we know.

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#112: Sep 8th 2011 at 7:35:11 AM

[up][up]Yes, although Psylock also has story with Cyke (she is in both teams, somehow, anyway). I think the explanation is they aren't following friendships ties, but the ideology Wolvie and Cyke represent. IT is not like the sides will be fighting like in the Civil War. They can keep being friends even if disagreeing.

Since we still don't have much of an idea of what ideological split will cause the Schism, it is still too early to know if the division make sense or not.

[up]Uh, the point of this teaser is to show which characters are aligned with who. The 'Blue Team' is with Cyclops, the 'Gold Team' with Wolverine. Sure we don't know where exactly they will make their operation base, but the 'adjectiveless' team is sided with Cyke (who is in Utopia, judging the background).

edited 8th Sep '11 7:36:52 AM by Heatth

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#113: Sep 8th 2011 at 7:38:40 AM

Please don't let Jean be a part of the reason. Pleeeease!

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#114: Sep 8th 2011 at 7:43:02 AM

[up]I can't even image how this would be possible. ^^; Or how every other mutant would give a damn if it was the case.

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#115: Sep 8th 2011 at 10:43:05 AM

It's worth noting that during Riot at Xavier's, Quentin's debut story, he was under the influence of Kick (a.k.a the aerosol form of the entity Sublime), so his worst crimes may not have been his fault. Sabretooth, on the other hand, has been subject to attempts at rehabilitation....which completely failed, because at the end of the day, he is just a Complete Monster with no interests besides killing and raping.

As for a leash that would work on a telepath...well, Logan's got Hank on his side, so I'm sure they'll think of something.

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#116: Sep 8th 2011 at 11:14:45 AM

I am not saying Quetin is a worse person then Sabretooth. He is just a stupid kid, after all. What I am saying is he is potentially more dangerous. Yeah, Sabre is a psycho, but not all that powerful, there is a limit of what he can do by himself (in fact, I am not too familiar to his history but, has he ever done anything major without obeying orders?). Quire, meanwhile, is an absurdly powerful telepath. The potential harm he can do is enormous, and he had already just given a taste to the world of how he could royally screw things up.

I admit I have forgot he was drug induced at the first time, though. I guess that explain why he is so mild compared to how I remember him being. Still, as I said, he has just proven he is not above mind screwing with people he don't like. Not trustable and very dangerous.

I will reinforce I am not saying he is "evil" (and certainly not that he is eviler then Creed). I just believe he is by far the most potentially dangerous of all the other characters shown so far (which including Magneto, who is very unstable himself). He is dangerous not because he is "evil", but because he is too immature for his powers. He is too much of a Wild Card. That is why I think the last shadow in Wolverine's team is Rachel, he needs at last one other telepath near to him to keep Quire under surveillance (only another telepath can be fully sure Quentin is not messing with other people's mind subtly).

Oh, and, btw, I agree with Cyclops with not handling Quire to Rogers. Ideally, that would be the best solution, as what Kid Omega did was far too serious for the X-Men to take care themselves. However, because what was done is too serious, if Quentin go imprisoned, the other countries pressure would guaranty his punishment to be far more severe then needed (specially considering how immature he is: he is clearly not thinking on his actions repercussions).

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#117: Sep 8th 2011 at 11:36:53 AM

I like Utopia. The writers have spent so much time not just building the damn thing (with its own pillar that serves as an underwater Atlantean condo!) but making it feel like a home.

Genosha 2.0 it ain't, but I'm glad they're sticking to it. Besides, San Francisco! Hell, even the Mayor is on their side!

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#118: Sep 8th 2011 at 11:54:52 AM

[up]What a random change of topic.tongue I fully agree, anyway. I really hope it sticks as the new status quo, instead of being a temporary thing, even if the Mansion gets rebuilt.

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#119: Sep 8th 2011 at 12:02:25 PM

"Hmm..Colossinaut?"

No. THE UNSTOPPABLE COLOSSUS!

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#120: Sep 8th 2011 at 12:11:10 PM

[up][up] I prefer the early 2000s setting, with the mansion open teaching students. Hopefully, Scarlet Witch is apparently doing something now (maybe in Children's Crusade?) that might make it possible to return to that...

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#121: Sep 8th 2011 at 12:23:33 PM

Rachel on Wolverine's team would be cool, but wouldn´t that make Quentin redundant?

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#122: Sep 8th 2011 at 12:36:13 PM

[up][up]The school is cool too. But useless if they don't have a book focusing on the school itself. In fact, the school is actually still open, as you can see in Generation Hope, just with less students and set in an island. You don't notice that because there is a lack of stories focusing on the students.

I doubt Wanda will restore the mutants, anyway. This would make the whole Messiah plot redundant. Restoring the mutantkind is Hope's job, not Wanda's.

[up]I guess. I prefer to believe he is not a real member of the team. At most he goes on mission so Wolverine can keep track on him and teach him. He is just on the cover because he is an important character of the book, not because he is an actual team member.

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#123: Sep 8th 2011 at 12:38:04 PM

The previews mentioned that one member of Wolverine's side would be "dragged from Utopia in chains." I'm guessing that's Toad, myself.

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#124: Sep 8th 2011 at 12:45:21 PM

I am guessing it is Quetin. As far I remember Toad is not imprisoned. He is just hanging out in Utopia without doing anything important.

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#125: Sep 8th 2011 at 1:35:23 PM

Well, the problem with being psychic, especially a world-class psychic, is that if you have a migraine, or just need to release some aggression, either through a fighting game, a boxing bag, martial arts, meditative exercises, or mental screaming, somebody could end up hurt. Basically you literally end up with thought crimes and can't be human anymore.

He has also shifted from Morrison's character into a very specific caricature of Julian Assange (the Wikileaks head). What do the rest of you think about that?


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