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TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#1: Aug 29th 2011 at 5:11:03 AM

X Men Schism is a storyline that may prove to be a real Base Breaker.

Why? Well, the storyline is going to end with Cyclops and Wolverine becoming enemies, and mutants are going to be split into two groups, one led by Cyclops and the other led by Wolverine. By the way, I think Wolverine can be a leader because he is an Übermensch and that is what such a person does. I also think that Cyclops is turning into Magneto and Wolverine is turning into Professor Xavier. Sure, there's some differences, but the dynamic is similar, isn't it?

The story starts off with Sentinels. Really, if I had a penny for every time the Sentinels appear, I would be the next Bill Gates. Honestly, you would think people would have learned by this point that Sentinels never work. Oh, well.

Quentin Quire AKA Kid Omega makes an appearance. It's interesting that the writer seems to want to demonstrate to all of us that he hates the character to death and considers him nothing more than a spoiled brat that deserves to be treated as a child and not as an adult.

It turns out that the antagonists of this story are a group of kids making up a new Hellfire Club. This is the part that is proving to be a Base Breaker. Some think that the kids are detestable and cannot possibly prove to be a credible threat to the X Men. Others think that the kids are interesting, and that handling them is going to lead to a big debate among the mutants. Thoughts?

By the way, has anyone noticed that a Wikipedia page has not even been set up for X Men Schism?

edited 29th Aug '11 5:11:55 AM by TiggersAreGreat

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eX 94. Grandmaster of Shark Since: Jan, 2001
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#2: Aug 29th 2011 at 5:28:20 AM

Where do the sentinels come from? My X-Men knowledge is not that good, but weren't they build by the US government to keep the Mutants in check?

For some reason I have a hard time believing that they would still build robots that regularly try to slaughter US citizens, even in the MU.

Alkthash Was? Since: Jan, 2001
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#3: Aug 29th 2011 at 8:33:48 AM

I'm not sure if they're becoming enemies at the end. From the actual books and the promos themselves it looks more like a split, where the decide they can't work together anymore and the rest of the X-men characters split off to follow who they agree with more.

Quentin Quire AKA Kid Omega makes an appearance. It's interesting that the writer seems to want to demonstrate to all of us that he hates the character to death and considers him nothing more than a spoiled brat that deserves to be treated as a child and not as an adult.

Probably because he is a spoiled brat. He has the emotional maturity of an angry teenager and is absolutely shit at thinking through the consequences of his actions beyond "will this piss people off and get me attention?"

eX - that's actually a plot point. People around the world aren't building new Sentinels, they're reactivating old ones. Which are poorly maintained and useless to the point that they cause more damage to property and humans than actually hunting mutants.

It turns out that the antagonists of this story are a group of kids making up a new Hellfire Club. This is the part that is proving to be a Base Breaker. Some think that the kids are detestable and cannot possibly prove to be a credible threat to the X-Men. Others think that the kids are interesting, and that handling them is going to lead to a big debate among the mutants. Thoughts?

The kids are detestable, that is executed fine. They are minature psychopaths after money and fame. The problem is 1) They've shown up precisely nowhere before and 2)Their sudden competency is a bit much. And the scene where the Hellfire club puts the kid in charge just strains credibility.

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#4: Aug 29th 2011 at 3:03:15 PM

[up][up]They are not from US. They are all from around the globe and are quite old and unmaintained (since there is barely any mutant at all lately). The government re-activated them to tranquilize their population/stir up mutant hysteria (in fact, none is shown actually hunting mutants, just posing menacingly). Didn't quite work as most of them went uncontrolled and started killing people randomly (cue to the X Men proving themselves heroes).

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#5: Aug 29th 2011 at 4:30:57 PM

Oh, I'm not so sure that there won't be hard feelings between Cyclops and Wolverine by the end of it. Some of the covers show the two fighting each other, and one cover shows them fighting each other so hard that they don't notice a giant hand about to crush them. Sure, Covers Always Lie, but what if it's not a lie this time? From what I know about the word "schism", one group gets split into two over an issue that they disagree over and they are unable to resolve it. "Schism" often has a religious context behind it, and it goes without saying that disagreements over religion will lead to hurt feelings (and worse). sad

Maybe the Hellfire Kids did pop up out of nowhere. But then again, you could argue that every single comic book character has popped up out of nowhere in one form or another. Why should that be considered a bad thing?

Some fans have stated that they find it very hard to swallow that a group of rotten little kids could beat down Colossus, Emma Frost, Ice Man, and Magneto. Well, gee, the writers had to find a way to show that these kids mean business, didn't they? What better way to do it than to show some A-List characters get defeated by the little brats?

edited 29th Aug '11 4:32:11 PM by TiggersAreGreat

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#6: Aug 29th 2011 at 6:39:48 PM

Wow. That whole Cyclops/Wolverine things sounds almost exactly like something I came up with in an AU fanfic :|

Kinda creepy. That being said, I like it! It makes perfect sense to me. Considering how much shit Scott has gone through in his life and how following Xavier's example has gotten him no where, yeah I'm surprised he didn't go Malcolm X earlier.

Theres sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere.
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#7: Aug 29th 2011 at 11:15:32 PM

Maybe the Hellfire Kids did pop up out of nowhere. But then again, you could argue that every single comic book character has popped up out of nowhere in one form or another. Why should that be considered a bad thing?

Because it smacks of Diabolus ex Nihilo. They want a story to come about, but don't have the tools to get there so they bring in some poorly set up villains to kick the plot in the right direction. That and in my personal opinion, evil genius children(in appearance only no less. They act more like standard evil geniuses stuck in preteen bodies) are pretty lame as far as villains go.

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#8: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:16:13 AM

From what I heard, there are some people wondering how a group of evil little kids are going to cause a schism in mutantkind.

Well, some people have pointed out that Wolverine and his X Force killed that one kid who was the reincarnation of Apocalypse. They had a big decision to make there, and they argued over it before and after the deed was done. You can be sure that it did leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths. At least one character brought up the statement of how there must have been a better way - like trying to raise the kid to be good.

What is probably going to happen is that the X Men will have the Hellfire Kids at their mercy. There will be a debate over how to handle them. Cyclops will decide to just kill them on the spot...and does so. Wolverine will have some major objections over this - he has been there, after all. The writers did say that the story is supposed to have Gray-and-Grey Morality. So to keep with that sort of morality, two groups will form from this: Wolverine and mutants who will take his side and feel that Cyclops crossed the Moral Event Horizon, and Cyclops and mutants who will take his side and feel that Cyclops did not cross the Moral Event Horizon. It would make a lot of sense, because the subject of how to handle a bad child (which seems to be a theme in this storyline) can truly lead to schisms.

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PrimoVictoria Since: Dec, 1969
#9: Aug 30th 2011 at 7:54:56 AM

I don't read it, but is it true reason for conflict between Scott and Logan is that Scott make that straw christian bitch from Generation Hope kill somebody? If so, I'm with Scott.

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#10: Aug 30th 2011 at 11:18:43 AM

You must be referring to Oya, who certainly has some strong religious beliefs, as seen here. However, I'm not sure if she qualifies as a bitch. She is self-loathing, goes around saying I Am a Monster and needs help. Oh, and what happened was that she was in contact with Cyclops and Wolverine. Wolverine wanted her to leave the area, and Cyclops told her to just do what she thinks is right. She remembered what she said about monsters fighting monsters, and decided to kill 12 Hellfire goons and evacuate the civilians. Unfortunately, she came off as rather remorseless and untroubled by her actions toward her fellow Lights, leaving them horrified. It's not like Cyclops ordered her to do it. He was telling Oya to make a decision and what happened next was her idea and her responsibility. Yep, she crossed a Moral Event Horizon there.

If anyone asked me, I liked the idea of evil kids defeating Magneto. Don't get me wrong, I think he's an interesting character, giving us rich gems of lines like "I am Magneto, and you are nothing!" and "I am Magneto, Master of Magnetism!" But he comes off as such a pompous Jerkass at times, that I am convinced that evil kids beating him was the perfect way to knock his ego down a notch. evil grin

If anyone compared Wolverine and Cyclops, and asked me which one I would side with, I would take Wolverine's side. Why? Because I am Canadian, and he is the most Badass Canadian character I have ever seen in comics. He is also non-stereotypical as a Canadian character, for instance avoiding the use of the word "eh". I would like to say upfront that despite what sources would have you believe, Canadians do not end every sentence they utter with "eh". I don't even know that many Canadians who say that word. Wolverine also has a relatively straightforward family tree, unlike Cyclops, who has a family tree so ridiculously convoluted that he could be his own grandpa! Wolverine tries hard to be a father to kids, and Cyclops has exposed kids to Harmful to Minors situations. Wolverine has engaged in Shoot the Dog moments and he does feel bad about them, while Cyclops would probably engage in them and feel nothing over them.

In short, I like Wolverine more than I like Cyclops. Yeah, that Cyclops who always has a stick up his rear end, can't even find a cure for having no control over laser beams shooting out of eyes, and is either a complete loser or a complete winner with never any middle ground between those two states. tongue

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Alkthash Was? Since: Jan, 2001
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#11: Aug 30th 2011 at 11:32:36 AM

That's a bit harsh. Killing people who are a) holding some innocent tourists hostage and perfectly willing to shoot them and b) have a bomb ready to go off in a few minutes is hardly crossing the Moral Event Horizon.

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#12: Aug 30th 2011 at 12:12:54 PM

Oops, I guess I missed that part. sad Unfortunately, I think I saw one cover that shows a picture of Oya, standing there with a height measurement behind her and the word "murderer" stamped on her. I think there's going to be some very nasty fallout from this. sad

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#13: Aug 30th 2011 at 12:17:06 PM

Up to now I'm happy with how they're treating Scott and Logan. I was afraid that, much like Civil War, they'd radically alter one of the two's personality. Either making Scott as assholish as possible compared to saintly Logan, or a whiny Logan compared to a stoic Scott. Hopefully it'll stay that way.

I will call Steve Rogers out on his reaction. The X-men have been keeping their own prison for their foes for quite some time, now, but only now, when a mutant affected normal humans, he wants him to face a human justice system? That sounds rather racist, as if beforehand there were "mutant problems, so let the mutants take care of them" until a baseline is affected, and then it's ON!

I'm siding with Scott. I like the guy and even though X-Force and other recent X-men comics have portrayed Wolverine in an enjoyable way for me, I still hate the dude.

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TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#14: Aug 30th 2011 at 12:23:43 PM

Yeah, Captain America's attitude doesn't feel right. I mean, this is the same guy who drove Magneto into a breakdown once, because he let Magneto into his head and Magneto saw to his shock that Steve Rogers has no prejudice or anything like that. If Steve Rogers truly has no prejudice, then why would he behave in a rather racist way towards mutants? It doesn't make sense. just bugs me

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PrimoVictoria Since: Dec, 1969
#15: Aug 30th 2011 at 12:24:12 PM

[up]They should jsut tell Steve all prisoner are related to Scott, Captain America is scared of Summers Family Tree.

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#16: Aug 30th 2011 at 12:28:58 PM

Tiggers - are you even reading the comics or just going by what you see in previews and covers?

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#17: Aug 30th 2011 at 12:33:29 PM

Wasn't there a scene in an x-men comic book where some mutant calls the Avengers out on them being strangely missing from any mutant-only plights? Dunno if it was about Genosha or the Legacy Virus or what.

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#18: Aug 30th 2011 at 12:35:21 PM

It was after M-Day around when a bus of kids was blown up. Emma was chewing out Carol Danvers for the general uselessness the rest of the superheroes have at doing anything to help mutants.

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#19: Aug 30th 2011 at 12:58:01 PM

Another thing about Schism is that as they're trying to create an Xavier/Magneto rivalry, let's just say that I'm hoping the writers don't end up adding as much Ho Yay / Foe Yay to the Scott/Logan relationship.

It has kinda begun to creep in, especially when Scott gives Quentin a verbal beatdown. Did he actually threaten a kid with decapitation if he ever dissed Wolverine again?

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TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#20: Aug 30th 2011 at 3:06:29 PM

Yeah, I'm just going by the covers and the previews. Oh, and this one website here helps too. But really, should the points I have made be undermined by the fact that I have not read those comics? smile

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Alkthash Was? Since: Jan, 2001
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#21: Aug 30th 2011 at 3:12:10 PM

Why the heck would you use an emoticon after a question?

But anyway, yes. Critiquing something without actually reading it yourself does kinda shoot your ability to analyze it in the foot. At this point your just regurgitating second hand opinions and speculating.

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#22: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:41:39 PM

Oh, I'm using an emoticon to make it clear that I am asking the question because I'm curious to know the answer, and not to sound hostile or confrontational. Not to mention broadcast the emotion on my face as I ask you the question.

Yes, I am shooting myself in the foot by talking about something I have not read. But you know something? Nobody else had posted up a topic talking about X Men Schism. If no one is going to step forward and start a conversation about it, then I will step forward, regardless of whether or not I have read it.

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#23: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:04:37 PM

So. Who do you figure will be on the different sides that haven't already been confirmed?

-inserts speculation-

edited 30th Aug '11 6:04:51 PM by Maridee

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#24: Aug 31st 2011 at 6:37:16 AM

Considering that Wolverine is headed back to Xavier's School, I'm thinking that most of the kids will go. Kitty and Colossus will go with him, too, as might Xavier. Hank might return to the X-men (which would give me a great excuse to love Schism).

Scott will keep Emma, naturally, and most likely Magneto. The New Mutants will stay in Utopia, mostly because they're Cyclops' personal troubleshooters. Hope and the Five Lights, I hope will stay, and I'm very sure Nate Grey will stay as well.

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#25: Aug 31st 2011 at 7:10:24 AM

Maybe not to the Mansion. They might just relocate to and expand the X-Cave they are using in Uncanny X-Force right now.


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