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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#126: Sep 11th 2011 at 3:00:28 PM

Third option is at 2:1 positive ratio.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#127: Sep 11th 2011 at 3:05:07 PM

Third option conflicts with the second, though. Why would you have a useful notes page and a main article on exactly the same thing?

20LogRoot10 Since: Aug, 2011
#128: Sep 11th 2011 at 5:15:01 PM

What should we do with pages using Lolicon as a character trope?

Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#129: Sep 11th 2011 at 5:25:21 PM

Axe them, I suppose. Although... that kind of signifies that the industry is not a trope in the first place, because nothing is going to link to it.

The result of this crowner is silly. Plus, two of the options are the same thing, but one is in the negative and the other positive.

IanExMachina The Paedofinder General from Gone with the Chickens Since: Jul, 2009
The Paedofinder General
#130: Sep 12th 2011 at 12:26:01 PM

[up]

Take the first option and then do that then redo a crowner for the other options?

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#131: Sep 12th 2011 at 12:47:27 PM

I would like to, but that's kind of just me going 'I hate this result, I don't accept it, I want a do over!' The problem is the result of the crowner really does make little sense.

IanExMachina The Paedofinder General from Gone with the Chickens Since: Jul, 2009
The Paedofinder General
#132: Sep 12th 2011 at 12:52:59 PM

Well there is definitely support for the new trope Evil Paedophile.
Just needs figuring out what happens to the actual Lolicon page, hence redo a crowner with options that don't contradict?

By the powers invested in me by tabloid-reading imbeciles, I pronounce you guilty of paedophilia!
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#133: Sep 12th 2011 at 12:54:40 PM

Or just redo the crowner with those two options. I think it will end up with "leave the page alone" winning, but if it helps dispel confusion...

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#134: Sep 12th 2011 at 1:11:33 PM

Actually, couldn't we do it with a single proposition crowner now? Just say 'Rewrite Lolicon to be about the characters known as lolicons in anime and related media' because the option of turning the lolicon industry into a useful notes page has already been agreed upon? The lolicon industry simply is not a trope.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#135: Sep 12th 2011 at 2:20:05 PM

[up] This. I think single prop is our best bet. If the rewrite is positive, we rewrite. If it's negative, we leave the page alone. It's the easiest way to get a decisive answer.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
ggfd Since: Dec, 1969
#137: Sep 14th 2011 at 12:51:48 AM

Which character type? The crowner doesn't say wink.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#138: Sep 14th 2011 at 4:20:56 AM

Nevermind.

edited 14th Sep '11 4:22:07 AM by Willbyr

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#139: Sep 14th 2011 at 9:15:56 AM

Point. I have updated the entry to indicate it's the basic 'pedophile played for laughs and not vilified' thing. If I am missing something from the description or you know I have described the concept incorrectly, feel free to update it accordingly.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#140: Sep 15th 2011 at 2:14:56 PM

Rename has a pretty clear lead, but bumping to make sure more people get the chance to vote. As it stands now, if the rewrite goes through the current content will presumably go into UsefulNotes.Lolita Complex or UsefulNotes.Lolicon Industry. Or... we could stick it on the main Lolicon page's analysis section?

edited 15th Sep '11 2:15:24 PM by Arha

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#141: Sep 15th 2011 at 4:00:30 PM

[up] I'd say Analysis section.

20LogRoot10 Since: Aug, 2011
#142: Sep 15th 2011 at 4:54:26 PM

Question: Should we restrict the Evil Pedophile trope to cases where the pedophilia itself is played as a facet of a character's villain status?

Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#143: Sep 17th 2011 at 2:03:04 PM

Okay, 6 to 1 ratio in favor of a rewrite. I can handle that, but I've already got two ykttws going right now. If someone else could handle the Evil Pedophile trope I would appreciate it.

Edit: Damn it, I forgot. Should we merge this and shotacon? They're practically the same trope anyway.

Lolicon sandbox. Comments or suggestions? The current article will be moved into the Analysis page for Lolicon.

edited 17th Sep '11 2:16:00 PM by Arha

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#144: Sep 18th 2011 at 5:36:27 PM

Is that sandbox okay or not? If I don't get a comment by tomorrow I will assume no objections and ask to have the necessary work done on the locked page.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#145: Sep 18th 2011 at 5:43:44 PM

Not too interested in hosting an article that finds pedophiles amusing.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#146: Sep 18th 2011 at 6:22:22 PM

[up] As I understand it, the trope's not about making light of pedophilia, it's about lolicon characters being played for "what a dork"-type laughs rather than being creepy. The male teacher from Azumanga Daioh is a good example of this (although he's technically an ephebophile)...in-series he weirds out the girls but it's played in a very silly and over-the-top way that's used for laughs.

edited 18th Sep '11 6:24:57 PM by Willbyr

No9 Since: Apr, 2011
#147: Sep 18th 2011 at 6:44:15 PM

Was just about to bring that up, I see the term thrown around alot in-universe referencing Ephebophiles you guys could mention it somewhere in the description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di_s1kXsa7w&feature=related

edited 18th Sep '11 6:44:36 PM by No9

INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#148: Sep 18th 2011 at 7:45:48 PM

[up][up][up]I always figured Rape Is Ok When It Is Female On Male shows that cataloguing =/= supporting.

edited 18th Sep '11 7:46:27 PM by INUH

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#149: Sep 18th 2011 at 8:41:09 PM

^^^^ Eh, it's not like we're supporting it. The page even admits that the Japanese are no more approving of pedophilia than we are. We're simply documenting something that occurs.

Oh, and should we merge with shotacon? I see no substantial difference between the two tropes apart from gender.

edited 18th Sep '11 9:44:00 PM by Arha

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#150: Sep 18th 2011 at 11:52:26 PM

[up] I say merge, with the caveat of mentioning any existent naunces between the two.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

SingleProposition: Lolicon
13th Sep '11 7:30:13 PM

Crown Description:

This crowner is to determine whether the trope Lolicon should be an article regarding a particular character type. If it is not a character type, the current information on the page will be moved to a Useful Notes page about the lolicon industry.

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