Eh there are a few female ones, they are played very differently though far more subtext.
edited 5th Sep '11 10:25:24 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!I said unlikely. Anyway, do we have a good name for the Evil Pedophile trope? Should we just go with that? If so we can just run it through ykttw and then when launched immediately request a page lock for it.
Also, Shotaro Complex should be a redirect for the Lolita Complex trope, I think.
edited 5th Sep '11 10:27:54 PM by Arha
Now that I think about it yeah.
A Shotacon is usually treated two ways
- Cougar who is going hunting (Seitokai Yakuindomo)
- or those who love the Cute Shotaro Boy (the way the page is written not the misuse) responsible types but hate brats (Ayaka in Negima)
I have made a crowner here
that lists every option I can think of. Almost none of them are mutually exclusive. The only thing I thought of that was not added as an option is that of cutting the article completely as I have seen no serious reasoning for said argument.
Most of those aren't mutually exclusive, though. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just...pointing it out.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.I'm aware of that and mentioned it. It's simply a matter of how much information we want to devote to the subject.
Edit: Frankly, the most important one on there is probably redefining the current Lolicon trope because otherwise an obvious trope isn't going to be covered.
edited 7th Sep '11 1:52:50 PM by Arha
I could have sworn your post was shorter when I looked at it last, and it didn't say that.
Oh well, nevermind then.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.Quick question: is there such a thing as a good pedophile? I would have thought that something which is, by definition, negative would not need the descriptor of "evil".
I suppose one that is getting help and trying to fix the fault could be 'good', but I think that would be more of an aversion, since I'm pretty sure they're by far the minority in both fiction and life.
I suppose a pedophile who doesn't act on his urges but researches medicine would be a "good pedophile".
The eventual page name would need an "evil" because we're describing a portrayal rather than just a sexual preference. Pedophile would be People Lusting For Children Who Sit On Chairs unless works use it in a specific way.
I think that the closest that a Lolicon can get to being "good" outside of highly-idealistic (some say unrealistic) romance stories (mostly fanfics and doujins) is that his pedophilia is strictly passive - he never gets physical, or declares his love openly, or anything similar, he just admires his underaged Love Interest from afar, keeps his distance, and makes sure that nobody has reason to call the cops on him.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Oh. I just put the Evil Pedophile thing as a wikiword for emphasis so we would be absolutely sure what the point of the trope was.
Hm, if Lolicon doesn't get rewritten to be about lolicon characters I suppose the whole thing would just get turned into a useful notes page then? Not really what I was expecting.
Um, lets not forget that not all works are modern works! If you look at historical works, you may find a completely different picture.
Heck, you only have to go back as far as the sixties to find all sorts of references to non-evil rock stars who like 13-year-old groupies. (Though younger than 13 does seem to be sort of taboo even for that era.) Go back another century or three, and things look quite different.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.Regarding "good" pedophiles, Soujiro comes to mind - has a thing for younger girls(which may stem from his late wife) but's still presented as a good person. Doesn't stop him from getting creepy, though, and his daughter shows concern he could get arrested.
Also, are we sure that with the Lolicon/Evil Pedophile split the latter's still going to be Flame Bait? They do tend to be very Obviously Evil.
edited 7th Sep '11 6:33:05 PM by 20LogRoot10
Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan^ It's apparently been flame bait before and Madrugada and Fast Eddie (I pmed him earlier) have expressed reservations about the trope because of it.
By the way, I can't force the issue, but I can still be curious. Tell me, someone who is against redefining Lolicon to be a character trope, could you explain why? I kind of wasn't expecting this result and I wrote several of the crowner options on the assumption that it would end up positive. Still, it's a character trope with very real examples that do not fall under the proposed trope about villainous/evil pedophiles or whatever.
edited 7th Sep '11 10:45:53 PM by Arha
Suggesting Evil Paedophile Character or Evil Paedophiliac Character as the name for that trope. A long name that isn't too easy to use in a sentence might make misuse less likely.
The current Age of Consent in Spain is 13.
So you could make an argument that what would be seen as a Paedo in culture is normal in another, so the Evil modifier is needed to imply abuse etc.
Only the top two have a supermajority. Should we just go with those?
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
Crown Description:
This crowner is to determine whether the trope Lolicon should be an article regarding a particular character type. If it is not a character type, the current information on the page will be moved to a Useful Notes page about the lolicon industry.

Oh, right, I misread that. Yeah, it is unlikely that lolicon would be a female character. The lolicon is the pedophile.