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generation81 Since: Aug, 2021
#1201: May 17th 2024 at 4:53:46 PM

Jack is a Base-Breaking Character on the YMMV page, but yeah Valerie is beloved and most fans expand on her.

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#1202: May 17th 2024 at 4:54:27 PM

[up][up]Well expect Valerie of course. Being Danny's badass rival helps.

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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#1203: May 17th 2024 at 5:04:58 PM

Star also weirdly gets some popularity as far as the school characters go, many even shipping her with Danny.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#1204: May 17th 2024 at 5:30:01 PM

People do really like Maddie and Jazz for multiple reasons, both innocent and not. Also, Sam still has a really nice design, as stated previously.

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#1205: May 17th 2024 at 7:38:30 PM

I'd say Jazz might be my favorite character because her being a Secret Secret-Keeper for half of the show made for a pretty interesting dynamic, and I enjoyed when episodes would focus on her sibling relationship with Danny. She's a very caring, if overbearing, older sister who just wants to support her brother however she can, and that's really sweet. It's also why My Brother's Keeper is one of my favorite episodes in the show.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1206: May 17th 2024 at 8:05:14 PM

Imo Jazz is by far the best character on the show, and her dynamic with Danny is the only one (min nearly always builds both characters up well and rarely ever makes both characters feel like unlikeable assholes.

She's, like, everything that's good about Sam but very little of what was bad about the character. Imo, the show more or less ditched Jazz except for the occasional focus episode, and it shouldn't have. The stuff they could've done with the whole "Jazz has ghost envy" thing alone...

Danny Phantom's character writing is... not it's strongest suit, imo. It's the first time, growing up, I came to the realization of "I like this show, but I often don't like any of the characters in it."

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 17th 2024 at 8:05:54 AM

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#1207: May 17th 2024 at 8:52:30 PM

[up]I don't think they outright made Jazz go Out of Focus.

After Danny finds out Jazz knew his secret, she is in a major role in Secret Weapons and Girls Night Out, supporting roles in The Fright Before Christmas, Micro Management, Masters of All Time, Reality Trip, Eye for an Eye, Forever Phantom, Livin Large, Frightmare, and the series finale. Not totally out of focus, about as much focus as Jack and Maddie get.

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#1208: May 18th 2024 at 2:21:41 AM

"Apart from Maddie and Jazz (gee I wonder why...), most of the human characters are pretty controversial."

I think it's because most of the human characters cling really tight to their stereotypes. Jazz is an exception because she has great character development and is one of the best if not the best written characters in the show and Maddie is inoffensive because she's half classic mom tropes and half literally Jack but toned down. The only other uncontroversial humans I'd list are Valerie, Danny and Vlad.

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#1209: May 18th 2024 at 5:18:29 AM

I do like Dash and Kwan since they're a lot funnier than the typical Jerk Jock formula, especially Kwan.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#1210: May 18th 2024 at 11:35:32 AM

I think Jazz's presence kinda makes the weakness of most of the other character writing way more obvious. Because you have this one (relatively) really well written character with a genuine arc in a show full of stereotypes. Jazz also never had any of the obvious bending to get her to fit into a specific role. She was allowed to sort of naturally fit into her role.

Valerie also had better than average writing, but she and Sam got caught in the same problem, which was that in the last season, all the Danny/Valerie stuff was thrown out and they dialed up the Danny/Sam stuff in a way that didn't fit with what had happened before.

And Tucker, quite frankly, just sucks and even his focus episodes make him look terrible.

Edited by Zendervai on May 18th 2024 at 2:36:00 PM

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#1211: May 18th 2024 at 11:56:15 AM

Its that Fairly Odd parents DNA I'm afraid

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1212: May 18th 2024 at 12:13:06 PM

Sounds like the show would need a lot of changes if it comes back to the screens, really.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#1213: May 18th 2024 at 12:29:56 PM

Well....not like they'll let Butch Hartman back on-board if ever they make a Danny Phantom comeback.

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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#1214: May 18th 2024 at 12:41:26 PM

[up][up][up][up]Okay, I can sorta see why you'd find Tucker unlikable in While You Want and King Tuck (though to be fair, both were cases where he was being brainwashed by a ghost), but how was Tucker bad in Doctor's Disorders?

IvanovTroping97 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#1215: May 18th 2024 at 9:01:51 PM

[up][up] That didn't stop Fairly Odder and A New Wish from bringing him back on board, apparently.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#1216: May 18th 2024 at 9:06:33 PM

[up]I thought Butch's only involvement in A New Wish was purely as an executive producer, with no creative involvement as showrunner or a writer. He's not on the creative side of things.

IvanovTroping97 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#1217: May 18th 2024 at 9:08:42 PM

[up] True. Fairly Odder had plenty of other issues, but Butch Hartman as an executive producer was the least of those problems.

Edited by IvanovTroping97 on Jun 5th 2024 at 8:49:05 PM

Oshawott337 Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
#1218: May 26th 2024 at 1:50:37 PM

Yeah, the stereotypes thing was definitely a problem with the show. Heck, you can kind of even notice it with Jazz when you watch the episodes pre-My Brother's Keeper and see the difference between how she's written before her arc starts and how she's written during and after it. But with her, at least it doesn't last too long.

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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#1219: Jun 28th 2024 at 7:18:27 PM

Vlad's VA Martin Mull passed away today.

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IvanovTroping97 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#1221: Jun 28th 2024 at 9:10:06 PM

Man, that is tragic. If the show gets an animated revival, I feel Vlad will inevitably have to be recast if he appears in it, maybe with Travis Willingham voicing him now, or Trevor Devall.

Edited by IvanovTroping97 on Jun 28th 2024 at 7:14:12 PM

KiraKiwi410 Since: Jun, 2024
#1222: Jun 29th 2024 at 12:39:59 AM

Well this is sad. RIP Martin Mull. He definitely elevated Vlad's character with his performance.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#1224: Jul 8th 2024 at 1:19:59 PM

Anyone catch this line from Jack in Eye for an Eye: "Why, just this morning he told me that when he thinks of number two, he thinks of me"?

Was this essentially indicating Vlad sees Jack as shit in the most kid friendly way possible?

Edited by SpongeGuy11 on Jul 8th 2024 at 4:20:14 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#1225: Jul 8th 2024 at 1:23:32 PM

Pretty much, yes. That is a pretty high-brow shit joke.

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