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DisasterGrind Since: May, 2012
#26: Aug 26th 2011 at 1:28:49 AM

I'd like to suggest renaming to Stepford Psycho or Stepford Slasher. Or Stepford Lover/pacifist/friend. (Sorry, I'm a bit sleepy, and can't remember how the name bends.) That way, it'll be easier to understand by association, and it'll smell shiney and new.

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#27: Aug 26th 2011 at 1:33:07 AM

Everythings Worse With Snowclones. I think one of the existing redirects will do fine.

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Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
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#28: Aug 26th 2011 at 1:44:53 AM

Let's not get into a meta-argument here; it's counterproductive and can offend people. Let's talk about this trope, and whether the name is problematic.

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#30: Aug 26th 2011 at 2:00:49 AM

On further thought, even though its technically a pre-existing term, its really a bad snowclone, and doesn't really follow from the other tropes (Tsundere, Kuudere, Yandere).

I'm all for renaming, since "Cute But Psycho" really sums it up quite nicely.

DisasterGrind Since: May, 2012
#31: Aug 26th 2011 at 2:17:47 AM

Oops, I think I misread something somewhere. Anyway, Cute but Psycho works just fine.

...But I'm worried that it doesn't axknowledge the *hidden* aspect of the psychopathy. Or is it not really important in naming this trope?

edited 26th Aug '11 2:45:57 AM by DisasterGrind

Tooru 下水街の委譲 Since: Aug, 2011
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#32: Aug 26th 2011 at 3:51:56 AM

Why can't we just leave things alone?

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#33: Aug 26th 2011 at 7:04:00 AM

Because we don't leave things alone when they aren't working. This trope isn't working in the sense that it's not managing to get out of fandom specific wiks despite being a general term.

That said, I really like Cute But Psycho.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#35: Aug 26th 2011 at 7:58:31 AM

We don't need yet another bad snowclone, especially one that's inaccurate. They psycho bit doesn't need to be hidden.

edited 26th Aug '11 7:59:07 AM by shimaspawn

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#36: Aug 26th 2011 at 8:41:36 AM

I thought the psycho being hidden was the entire point?

EDIT: And it seems clear that its being under-used in non anime media, but I'd still like to know if its being misused (or vice versa) for Yandere. I'm going to do a quick informal check.

edited 26th Aug '11 8:43:27 AM by Discar

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Falco Since: Mar, 2011
#37: Aug 26th 2011 at 8:43:07 AM

Cute Hiding Psycho? Cute Covering Psycho? Appears Cute Is Psycho?

edited 26th Aug '11 8:43:22 AM by Falco

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#38: Aug 26th 2011 at 8:47:26 AM

Huh. Glanced through about ten wicks, and I don't see much confusion with Yandere.

Anyway, I'm on board with the rename, since even my quick check proved its not really being used outside anime.

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#39: Aug 26th 2011 at 8:49:44 AM

Its not "hidden" being the key its the personality switching. She can be calm, cute, goofy, etc one sec then Crazy the next then back again after that. Sometimes its a psychological thing that sets them off sometimes they are just that whenever they want.

Unlike Yandere which requires a Love Interest to set this off Yangire could be anything or nothing.

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Falco Since: Mar, 2011
#40: Aug 26th 2011 at 8:57:18 AM

Again, from reading the definition, that's not what I'm understanding of the trope.

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#41: Aug 26th 2011 at 9:02:17 AM

Are we reading the same trope? That's what it says.

edited 26th Aug '11 9:04:00 AM by Raso

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Falco Since: Mar, 2011
#42: Aug 26th 2011 at 10:10:52 AM

The trope description does not mention that a character switches constantly back and forth. I'm sure it could be played that way, but the description itself imo lends itself to introduced-as-cute-but-turns-and-stays-psycho.

edited 26th Aug '11 10:11:13 AM by Falco

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#43: Aug 26th 2011 at 10:20:24 AM

[up]

Thats not good, because the switching back and forth is definitely a variation that exists, and is worth mentioning.

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#44: Aug 26th 2011 at 12:40:04 PM

I'm not seeing anything in the description that makes me think its limited either way. Can anyone point to the exact words that are making them think that A) switching back-and-forth is required, B) switching back-and-forth is not allowed, or even C) the possibility of switching is hidden? I don't see any of that.

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#45: Aug 26th 2011 at 12:43:36 PM

[up] Yeah, it's either or which is why the hidden doesn't work. It can be hidden, it can be switching, we don't split between the two.

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#46: Aug 26th 2011 at 12:55:02 PM

I don't even see where it has to be even a case of either being hidden (unless one considers a cute facade to be by default hiding; I personally don't) or switching between different roles.

I mean, the core of the trope itself is that the character is described with two adjectives and an adverb - cute and dangerously insane. Is there really anything else to this?

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#48: Aug 26th 2011 at 1:39:18 PM

[up] And Cute But Psycho basically means the same thing, but is a little more concise.

(YMMV on which is more clear; I think they're pretty equal.)

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#49: Aug 26th 2011 at 1:47:38 PM

The trope name should use "and" instead of "but" - if you use "but," that implies that the latter is somehow an unexpected turn of events compared to the former. I've seen enough cute people and things being so crazy that I was worried for my well-being to think that the two concepts would be a surprising combination.

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#50: Aug 26th 2011 at 2:41:17 PM

I think the "but" emphasizes the "one minute (s)he's cute, the next (s)he's Axe-Crazy" aspect of the trope. Using "and" would suggest that both aspects always co-exist, which is not necessarily the case (some of them stop being cute when they go off, especially if they end up knee-deep in blood and gore with their fangs showing).

But I don't feel strongly either way.

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