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JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#351: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:11:13 PM

I am more trying to make a point that without achievement then the self image is hollow. If there has been nothing done to earn the importance, then why on earth do they deserve to feel entitled to anything in the first place?

How would that work?

Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#352: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:13:49 PM

@Loni: Generally speaking, virgins aren't that popular; if they were they wouldn't be virgins.

Let' not even start on the Nice Guys who think that they should get some pussy, just because they "nice" to a chick.

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#353: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:15:29 PM

They seem to be a constant fixture in Pu A related matters though.

MostlyBenign Why so serious? Since: Mar, 2010
Why so serious?
#354: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:15:49 PM

I am more trying to make a point that without achievement then the self image is hollow. If there has been nothing done to earn the importance, then why on earth do they deserve to feel entitled to anything in the first place?

Eh, why do you feel entitled to dictate who does and does not deserve to feel good about themselves?

Really, not the topic of the thread.

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#355: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:17:31 PM

I don't, but I feel compelled to ask WHY someone feels like that. Its important to know these things.

It is a fundamental part about Pu A however. I was simply intending it as a temporary discussion, not a permanent derail.

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#356: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:20:27 PM

Many people manage to feel good about themselves without assuming they deserve to get laid by everyone they set their eyes on.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
MostlyBenign Why so serious? Since: Mar, 2010
Why so serious?
#357: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:32:25 PM

Yes, believing that you deserve anything is totally the same as that thing.

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#358: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:37:30 PM

That thing is what we have been referring to for the last two pages.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
MostlyBenign Why so serious? Since: Mar, 2010
Why so serious?
#359: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:44:31 PM

Yeah, no:

I doubt anyone "deserves" anything.
I am sorry but what qualifiers do you have for "deserving" anything?
Yes but, why believe that you deserve stuff? What possible reason could there be for you to deserve ANYTHING?

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#360: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:46:14 PM

My take is that a guy who needs some other asshole's blog to pick up a chick don't deserve pussy.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#361: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:47:33 PM

You said we weren't to discuss that anymore dude.

I think a more productive line of questioning would be why Pu A seem to think they "deserve" to get laid/ sleep with people. Would you say that that is a good or bad thing?

MostlyBenign Why so serious? Since: Mar, 2010
Why so serious?
#362: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:51:41 PM

Josef Bugman brought up the issue well before that, and did not refer exclusively to deserving "pussy." In fact, he explicitly used the word "anything."

In any case, let's not pretend there is no position between believing you deserve nothing and believing you "deserve to get laid by everyone [you] set [your] eyes on"

edited 30th Aug '11 5:52:14 PM by MostlyBenign

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#363: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:58:51 PM

No, but to bring it back on point could you provide reasons why people might believe they should "deserve" to get laid?

LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#364: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:00:18 PM

"Deserving to get laid" is the position with the most relevance to the discussion, so how about we stick to that one?

Be not afraid...
MostlyBenign Why so serious? Since: Mar, 2010
Why so serious?
#365: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:05:53 PM

Generally, believing you don't deserve things hinders pursuing them. In the case of things widely considered good and pleasurable, this results in people ending up less happy than they could be.

Since people keep conflating separate things, it should probably be added that believing you deserve something is not the same as acting like an obnoxious shit about it, nor does one necessarily follow from the other.

edited 30th Aug '11 6:06:13 PM by MostlyBenign

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#366: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:08:10 PM

No, but if you have no reason to actually assume you DO deserve this thing (as in we do not hold it to be a "right")?

Also, we are arguing over another person here, it seems kind of worrying to treat it like a cattle market and how you "deserve" to have sex by going out.

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#367: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:12:25 PM

Benign, do you believe that people actually deserve, i.e. are entitled to sex?

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
MostlyBenign Why so serious? Since: Mar, 2010
Why so serious?
#368: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:16:34 PM

[up][up]There is no objective reason to assume you ever deserve anything; the question of what a person deserves is always a normative or subjective assessment. I've already responded to the questions of why individual people might like to believe that they deserve things, and why such beliefs might be positive things to hold.

And again, believing that you are, on some basic level, worthy of having good things happen to you does not equal being some kind of a rapist who will not let anything stand between yourself and sex.

@kash:

Benign, do you believe that people actually deserve, i.e. are entitled to sex?

I believe people deserve to believe they deserve to have sex, if that makes any sense to you. Mind you, I don't believe that "deserving" and "entitled" are synonymous in all cases: a person might say "I deserve to be happy" without meaning it as "I'm entitled to have my wants met by others without question until such time as I deem myself happy."

...I think I'm done with this tangent.

edited 30th Aug '11 6:22:59 PM by MostlyBenign

SavageOrange tilkau from vi Since: Mar, 2011
tilkau
#369: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:19:05 PM

[up] Right. It's simply about whether you consider yourself to be a worthwhile person or not, and exactly how worthwhile.

'Don't beg for anything, do it yourself, or else you won't get anything.'
JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#370: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:19:15 PM

Thats not really answering the question though. I mean we are not suggesting that people instantly become rapists the minute they think they "deserve" something, what we seem to be asking is wether you believe people are "entitiled" or "deserving" of sex as a ground state of being.

SavageOrange tilkau from vi Since: Mar, 2011
tilkau
#371: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:23:23 PM

[up] to which he has answered clearly 'no'.

There is no objective reason to assume you ever deserve anything
Which I agree with — you don't deserve ANYTHING, objectively. Not food, not shelter, not life. They just happen to be things you have, and are enshrined in law as something you must not be deprived of, but that doesn't mean you deserve them... the idea of having a right to something is empty outside of law.

edited 30th Aug '11 6:26:09 PM by SavageOrange

'Don't beg for anything, do it yourself, or else you won't get anything.'
JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#372: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:25:13 PM

Not at the time I wrote that he hadn't, check the "edit" time.

SavageOrange tilkau from vi Since: Mar, 2011
tilkau
#373: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:27:46 PM

"edited 30th Aug '11 6:22:59 PM by Mostly Benign"??? It tells me mainly one thing: something strange is happening.. since that is before the original posting time.

'Don't beg for anything, do it yourself, or else you won't get anything.'
JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#374: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:29:24 PM

I posted at 19, he posted 22 tongue.

And its 30th Aug (20)'11. The guy posted originally at 30th Aug '11 6:16:34 PM.

edited 30th Aug '11 6:33:17 PM by JosefBugman

SavageOrange tilkau from vi Since: Mar, 2011
tilkau
#375: Aug 30th 2011 at 6:37:26 PM

That means that the edit times are not localized, although the post times are. because here, it says the original post was made at Wed, 31st Aug '11 10:46:34 AM .

(my timezone == +9.30 GMT)

'Don't beg for anything, do it yourself, or else you won't get anything.'

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