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JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#326: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:42:58 PM

As I was trying to point out earlier, I doubt anyone "deserves" anything. Which is why I am continously flumouxed by techniques that require it to be front and centre of your mindset. I am sorry but what qualifiers do you have for "deserving" anything?

This is specifically aimed at Pu A, one of the more minor things I have seen in a great deal of Pu A blogs is the belief that the people who buy into the game "deserve" success. Why is that? And does anyone think that it works?

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#327: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:43:57 PM

To quote TLC, this is how most women respond to PUA:

No, I don't want your number, no, I don't wanna give you mine, no, I don't wanna meet you nowhere, no, I don't want none of your time.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#328: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:43:58 PM

They think they "deserve"it because they've put time and effort into achieving a goal.

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#329: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:46:29 PM

... That doesn't make any sense at all.

I could invest time into going out into the garden and trying to piss out the sun. Doesn't mean I would get anything out of it.

LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#330: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:47:59 PM

And that quote is something I find very distasteful about the whole business.

The reducing of women to a commodity, 'pussy' that you 'get'.

Be not afraid...
MostlyBenign Why so serious? Since: Mar, 2010
Why so serious?
#331: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:48:47 PM

Because acting like you don't deserve shit isn't attractive to most people, therefore learning how to believe that you do is just useful, practical advice.

Not to mention healthier.

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#332: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:49:58 PM

[up] Why is it healthier? I mean surely what you "deserve" is something that you earn, through fair action or foul action?

Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#333: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:50:14 PM

@JB: Pissing out the sun is unrealistic, getting laid after talking to a girl for a bit, isn't.

@Loni Jay: People re simple. Once you figure out how they work, and what motivates them, it's easy to use that to your advantage.

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#334: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:50:19 PM

Believing you deserve things and actively acting as though you do are not synonymous. No one likes an arrogant fucker.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#335: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:52:38 PM

Yes but, why believe that you deserve stuff? What possible reason could there be for you to deserve ANYTHING? I mean I think most people deserve a roof, 3 meals, a place to sleep and clean drinking water. Why would anyone "deserve" to get laid?

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#336: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:53:16 PM

@Josef, unfortunately, men still do believe they deserve pussy, especially if they've invested money into the girl via the alcohol they've bought her. However, casual sex isn't a transaction, and the girl doesn't owe you anything. If she is decent, she might refuse the drink. Me being indecent, I will happily drink on someone else's dime, but if they think that entitles them to sex, God help them. If I ever decide to prostitute myself, a couple of $12 watered-down cocktails is not going to be quite enough to buy me.

edited 30th Aug '11 4:56:58 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#337: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:55:12 PM

I just don't understand how anyone can believe we are "entitled" to things without effort or at least some form of exertion. I dunno it just seems rather strange to me.

Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#338: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:55:13 PM

[up][up]So true.

On a lesser note this is why the only women i've bought drinks for are either my friends or gf's.

@JB: Well it seems that PUA consider getting dressed, going to a bar and talking to a girl "exertion".

edited 30th Aug '11 4:56:05 PM by Kino

MostlyBenign Why so serious? Since: Mar, 2010
Why so serious?
#339: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:57:19 PM

Believing you deserve things and actively acting as though you do are not synonymous. No one likes an arrogant fucker.

Plenty of people like arrogant fuckers, but that's beside the point.

Believing you deserve things is healthy because it both stems from and reinforces a positive self image. Acting like you deserve things is healthy because people can't see your beliefs and feelings, but generally enjoy the company of people with positive self images.

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#340: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:58:09 PM

^^Don't you forget the hours invested into reading that drivel about what kind of rings to wear and what kind of body part to backhandedly "compliment"!

^ Positive self-image =/= inflated self-image

edited 30th Aug '11 4:58:53 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#341: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:58:59 PM

A positive self image with no actual achievement behind it seems to be like an amazing car with no engine. Damn fine to look at, no damn use to anyone.

I mean why not DO something that you feel is valuable rather than simply "believing" that you have value?

edited 30th Aug '11 5:00:48 PM by JosefBugman

Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#342: Aug 30th 2011 at 4:59:30 PM

@kashchei: Shit, I totally forgot; guidos don't have a monopoly on gold chains and rings.

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#343: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:02:44 PM

I can't be the only one to find egotists annoying, and to find humility attractive.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#344: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:03:46 PM

I'd agree with you but do you really want my support?

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#345: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:03:57 PM

No, but I imagine people have different defintions of those two. To quote churchill "he is a very modest man who has much to be modest about". If all you are is humble you can come across as having actually DONE nothing.

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#346: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:05:27 PM

^^ Sure, I don't discriminate.

^ They say actions speak louder than words for a reason.

edited 30th Aug '11 5:05:47 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#347: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:06:22 PM

Sex doesn't seem to me to be something that everyone has a right to. I believe that everyone should have the right to food, clean water, freedom of speech, education, all that stuff.

But sex? No, that's something that people choose to give to you. If you don't do anything to earn it, then why should people be obliged to give it to you?

Be not afraid...
Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#348: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:08:03 PM

[up]What about the virgins who get pity sex?

MostlyBenign Why so serious? Since: Mar, 2010
Why so serious?
#349: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:09:41 PM

A positive self image with no actual achievement behind it seems to be like an amazing car with no engine. Damn fine to look at, no damn use to anyone.

I suspect that if having a positive self image makes a person happy, that person won't really give a rat's ass about whether or not you find them "useful."

I mean why not DO something that you feel is valuable rather than simply "believing" that you have value?

The two things are in no way mutually exclusive, and sometimes believing you have value is a necessary stepping stone for doing the things you consider valuable.

edited 30th Aug '11 5:09:50 PM by MostlyBenign

LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#350: Aug 30th 2011 at 5:10:28 PM

Presumably, somebody still has to choose to give it to them, for whatever reason.

But a virgin who goes around to people whining "You have to have sex with me. I deserve sex with you. Why are you depriving me of the things that are rightfully mine?" is not going to be very popular.

Be not afraid...

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